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02-11-2012 , 09:58 PM
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His stats are mediocre especially for 2nd round talent in this. He is commonly seen as a top 5 pg all time which is think is a lol joke. I don't understand it other than the RANGZ that the media loves. ZOMG, a PG "led" a team to a title he must be a top 5 pg all time.

If I had to list my top PGs for this it'd be:

1. Cp3
2. Magic (very close to 1)
3. Stockton
4. Nash
5. Kidd
6-11. Undrafted
12. Isiah (even this could be a stretch).
Nice list.

Wasn't Magic allergic to defense though?
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02-11-2012 , 10:00 PM
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meh Kidd, another below-average shooter
At least kidd does some stuff very well especially in his prime. Kidd knows he doesn't score that well and doesn't chuck the ball. Isiah chucks and probably doesn't know it. In Kidd's prime he was really, really awesome. Although Kidd was really awesome running up and down the court--not something I'm sure Ming can do 35-40 mpg. Kidd is a really elite defender as well (something Isiah wasn't). if i have kidd i have him pass a ton and defend well and avoid shooting as much as he can.
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02-11-2012 , 10:02 PM
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Nice list.

Wasn't Magic allergic to defense though?
Yes but his O was that damn good. Passing and scoring he was very elite. I don't think he's bad as Nash defensively but his height, passing and scoring ability are top notch.
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02-11-2012 , 10:03 PM
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1. Cp3
2. Magic (very close to 1)
3. Stockton
4. Nash
5. Kidd
6-11. Undrafted
12. Isiah (even this could be a stretch).
Rose was drafted.
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02-11-2012 , 10:05 PM
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Ah true, I'd probably take Rose over Kidd. Rose obviously has upside to pass Nash and others.
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02-11-2012 , 10:07 PM
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Yes but his O was that damn good. Passing and scoring he was very elite. I don't think he's bad as Nash defensively but his height, passing and scoring ability are top notch.
Yeah I agree. What probably makes him a better defender then Nash is his ability to defend any position.
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i take nash at no2 pg. hes the goat shooter and was great at being able to create his own shot. great free-lancer and passer and made his mates so much better. pretty much every player had career highs in shooting percentage with nash. he revived a bunch of careers.

defense is whatever. nash is not as bad as ppl say. he anticipates well and is able to make a few swipes and draw some charges. hes gonna get crushed on d in this league but so is iverson and stockton. iverson was like 160 and stockton 170. they aint stoppin anyone. kidd will hold his own, as will a few other undrafteds but defense should not be a deciding factor with these guys.
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02-11-2012 , 10:27 PM
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Nash >> Kidd in this format
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02-11-2012 , 10:51 PM
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Over his prime Kemp averaged a nearly 22 per, on .604 ts%, with 5.6 defensive win shares/season. He's also good for about 19 points and 11 rebounds per game.


Pairing him with Ewing gives me an incredibly tough interior defense that puts up 45 points, 22 rebounds, and 5 blocks per game.


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02-11-2012 , 10:59 PM
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Damn, I was eyeing Kemp. Dude stepped it up in the playoffs and is a nice pairing with Ewing.

o ya pretty big fail not including this vid

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02-11-2012 , 11:01 PM
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Kemp is a good pick not amazing or anything. Great defender who was definitely underrated when it came to that. 5 year peak is pretty elite. There is probably a better 4 available but doubt I better fit for Ewing. Kemp can stay deep in the paint while Ewing can sit 10-13 feet out.
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02-11-2012 , 11:04 PM
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4 guys on my list, 19 picks to fade...I don't like my chances, maybe i should trade up
Rodman, Moncrief, and Kemp were 3 of them...only 1 guy left, ugh

Iverson and Isaiah are really bad picks. Ray Allen too early as well. I really love the Gilmore/Moncrief pairing
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02-11-2012 , 11:08 PM
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Man I love Kemp

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02-11-2012 , 11:09 PM
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Sweet. Kemp was my backup if you sniped my guy.

I shall take:

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The dirty Spaniard himself. Some say he lost his will sometime over the past year but, up until then he was a fantastic all-around big-man. Consistent 20/10/3/1 performer, who puts up around a 22 PER every year with a high 50s TS. Good from the foul line, a decent defender, and a renowned passer for his size.

With Pau, I have two guys are are well versed in this:


Yea only the most successful offensive philosophy of all time, and two guys perfectly suited to run it while still being plus-defenders with excellent size and length for their position.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...gasolpa01.html

Team so far:
Scot Pippen
Paul Gasoul
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02-11-2012 , 11:10 PM
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Also, I'm almost sure that was Assani's last boy, yea?
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02-11-2012 , 11:13 PM
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SNIPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPED
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02-11-2012 , 11:13 PM
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Pau great value at this point, surprised he fell so far.
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02-11-2012 , 11:16 PM
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Also, I'm almost sure that was Assani's last boy, yea?
nah

I'd be interested in trading Moses to anyone with a pick soon btw...not sure what would be fair(Moses/4th for 2nd/3rd maybe???)
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02-11-2012 , 11:17 PM
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Was debating between Gasol and 2 other guys. Give me a few and I'll have a pick up.
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02-11-2012 , 11:18 PM
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Gasol great pick, didn't have any bigs higher than him.
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02-11-2012 , 11:19 PM
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really really really wanted Gasol. He's better imo than a lot of bigs already taken.
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02-11-2012 , 11:23 PM
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nah

I'd be interested in trading Moses to anyone with a pick soon btw...not sure what would be fair(Moses/4th for 2nd/3rd maybe???)
who do this but i already drafted a center
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A gamble for sure but I'll take

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Writeup later.
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Lol wow.
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A gamble for sure but I'll take

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Writeup later.
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