Paul and Victor would fit pretty well together.

I dont wanna give up Frank Ntilikina tho. That's the FRENCH PRINCE OF NY!

lol LeBron's hairline

So wasnt sure where to post this but I created a 5 year roster construction exercise game last week interested in getting more replies.

Here is the link with player salaries. And below are the general rules and guidelines. DM with questions or whatever else

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...#gid=591642438

the first tab is what you want btw

Basically build a 12 man NBA roster using the prices listed in the excel sheet. You will want the first tab in it NBA Salary Draft Prices in this, the other one is something separate NFL related.

Rules are in the sheet but to list them here for convenience

1) You are building for a 5 year window. The next 5 years and nothing else.

2) The Salary Cap is $120. Work around that.

3) 12 man roster. Look if you are getting tired by the end and just want to say "Any 3 $1 players" or "Any 2 $2 players and 1 $1 player" instead of spending time finding a specific one for the end of the bench that's fine. Just factor that into your budget calculation.

4) This is not a 2K franchise unfortunately, no settings to turn injuries off so factor in durability/injury track record accordingly.

5) There are 320 players in there but inevitably I know I didnt get to all of them. If there's someone you particularly want but the price isnt listed, you can DM me/respond to this asking for a price Ill make one and include it in there. Sorry but no rookies from this upcoming class or international players

line is -7.5 tonight....

And I think I like Miami's side.

Jumped on it! +7.5 Heatles

Let's Go Heat! #DemSchemes

Like the Lakers tonight. You are going to get A+ Lebron and AD.

This looks fun... would it be possible to add a column w/ Age and one w/ position?

Frank is $5 for a 7 Foot Long wingspan.



He's fixed his shot, I think the whole world is massively underrating him, unfortunately the Knicks in particular.



Don't think there's many players with a higher Top 10 outcome in the next 5 years than FRANK. He's such a great fit on elite teams

Luka Doncic $58
KAT $36
Joe Harris $7
Justise Winslow $7
Cedi Osman $3
Dwayne Dedmon $2
Nic Batum $2
Kevin Knox $1
Timothe Luwawu-Cabarrot $1
Isaiah Thomas $1
Allen Crabbe $1
Juan Hernangomez $1

I once claimed the Nic Batum contract was better than the Derozan one. not my greatest taek, but I had to push back against raptors fans.

Would be great if we could stop talking about Frank as he had been something else than a bottom 5 offensive player itl for the last 3 years

Hopefully we get a lot more of those "summer" workout videos, these are always insightful and a very good projection

I love Frank as much as anyone, but guys with top 10 outcomes aren't great fits on elite teams, they make elite teams. I'd say Frank's ceiling is like a better George Hill/Marcus Smart hybrid, which is still a really good player obviously, but I don't think he has any chance of being a top 10 player. He'll never be an elite finisher around the rim.

With that being said, the Knicks handling of him has been worse than just about any I've seen of a young player. Draft a clear project PG, then spend 3 years prioritizing guys like Jarrett Jack, Trey Burke, Emmanuel Mudiay, Dennis Smith Jr., and Elfrid ****ing Payton over him even though the team sucks.

And then on top of that there's no rhyme or reason to anything they do. How is anyone supposed to develop if there are no defined roles? Knox is the same. Ya he probably sucks (as opposed to Frank who, despite his warts, has already proven he can contribute to winning basketball), but I'm not sure he could be in a worse position to succeed. It's so strange being a huge NBA fan who happens to be a Knicks fan. When you watch other, well run, teams, you see traits that make their team distinct. The Knicks, no matter who is coaching, look like they're playing a totally different sport.

Obviously some can't-miss prospects would be good enough to overcome the terrible Knicks system but that would require running good enough to draft one of those players.

I think you'd have to have a pretty large misunderstanding on what makes a good offensive basketball player to reach that conclusion. Say what you will about Frank's actual output wrt putting the ball in the basket but his IQ/style alone makes him way more valuable than many "more capable" players. He's constantly screening, moving the ball, pushing it up the floor after misses, anything to try and make his teammates better. On top of that he's hugely improved as a passer. He's not a positive but he's not nearly as bad as you're implying.

i talked about Domantis Sabonis, Victor Oladipo, and Jerami Grant being better than Russell Westbrook so much that I spoke it into existence. we can do it with Frank too!!!

Geoff, Frank is a point guard who has proven over 3 years that he sucks at putting the ball in the basket. He's never scored over 20 points in almost 200 NBA games

His finishing at the rim is awful, he has very limited offensive skill, doesn't get to the line like ever and his jumpshooting has shown no sign of being reliable (31% over >400 attempts with no improvement). All his advanced offensive numbers have him at the bottom of the league

Sure the Knicks are the Knicks but that doesn't simply erase all his offensive deficiencies which he's constantly displayed, there are tons of bad franchises out there who do not optimize the output of young players but that doesn't mean that they should get a pass.

Yes sure maybe he reaches his ceiling and becomes a less-good version of Marcus Smart but how valuable is that. His ceiling is nowhere near good as what is implied in this thread or by Knicks fans, when your ceiling is to become a flawed player, your median is rarely good at all. We are in the middle of the playoffs and it's easy to see how flaws can be hugely exploited, a guard who simply cannot shoot is not a player anybody should get excited about.

Also don't get the George Hill comparison because there's a world of difference in shooting abilities between the two which matters a ton when you're a guard in today's NBA but let's assume you're right, any franchise should be happy to dump a player whose improbable ceiling is George Hill for anything of a value they can get

I got FRANK as next year’s Most Improved Player.

If he gets traded to another team.

I present to TZ, the All-inMcLovin McMuffins! sponsored by McDonald's and financed by Judd Apatow.

1. Nikola Jokic 53
2. Domantas Sabonis 22
3. Mikal Bridges 13
4. Lonzo Ball 11
5. Duncan Robinson 10
6. Miles Bridges 3
7. Willie Cauley-Stein 3
8. Dennis Smith 1
9. Kevin Knox 1
10. Juan Hernangomez 1
11. Damian Jones 1
12. Abdel Nader 1

Comments:
I really love pairing Jokic with Sabonis, that super Euro power is just meant to be. Mikal Bridges to lock it down on the wing plus be the elite 3+D that every team craves. Lonzo Ball to be the secondary creator he excels at and be a threat from 3 while locking it down on D as well. Then we have Duncan Robinson running around and **** and knocking down 3's all day every day and twice on Sundays.

I got WCS to be my energy 3rd big man off the bench, I mean who doesn't love that? $3 for Miles Bridges.. seems like a steal, dude can dunk like woah! Buying super low on Dennis Smith Jr who should be freed from NY or possibly given the reigns in NY via Thibs having him play in a DRose type role. Buying low on Kevin Knox.. I mean, he can only go up from here.. or he can be out of the league within 4 years (both are equally possible). And three $1 potential themed buys to round out the roster.

There you have it!

You guys listing your teams in order of price instead of by position are nuts

Russ left an $8k tip for the housekeepers and wrote them a thank you note

Everything about that guy seems great except for the specific way he plays team basketball

Luka 58 (S)
B Clarke 16 (S)
Buddy 13 (S)
Thybulle 7 (S)
Zubac 7 (S)

Huerter 8 (B)
Trent Jr 5 (B)
Trey Burke 2 (B)
Muscala 1 (B)
TLC 1 (B)
Alex Len 1 (B)
Knox 1 (B)

Sub out Knox for Darius Bazley if possible.

PG: Luka Doncic
SG: Joe Harris
SF: Justise Winslow
PF: Cedi Osman
C: KAT

Backup ball handler: IT2
Backup Wings: Batum, Knox, TLC, Crabbe, JHG
Backup Big: Dedmon

prolly should have another biggish player instead of Batum. Have no clue who's best for $2 tho. Maybe needed to just be boring and pair Luka with his actual IRL teammate, Porzingis

1: Thybulle (will guard 1-3)
2: Buddy
3: Luka (1 on offense)
4: Clarke
5: Zubac

Bench:

Clarke will slide to the 5 to run, but I also have a shooter (who could play the 4 in old school lineups) in Muscala (4/5), and another traditional big (although more range than Zubac) in Len (5).

Backup ball handler is Burke (1) along with Huerter (2/3). Trent Jr (2/3) is a steal as my bench Buddy (way less of a handle) and TLC (2/3/4) can guard 1-4 and showed some much improved shooting in the playoffs for the Nets.

Kevin Knox is cheap with length as a flyer, but like I said I'd rather have Bazley bc I don't think Knox is going to pan out.

props to russ