Shows what we know because Teague certainly has more value right now

Dar0 what's with the Nerlens hate? Clearly his trade (and actual) value is at an all-time low, but he's certainly not dead to be a good player for a good team. I wouldn't fault a team for taking a flyer on him if they can buy low.

If he plays he's a lock to be a good player on a good team, I mean look at how valuable Clint Capela is as just a guy who screens, catches lobs and defends or Biyombo on the Raps last season. Nerlens is better than both those guys, there's no one at his height that has quicker hands than he does. Whatever team gets him will get tons of value out of him.

fwiw this thread is higher on noel than the nba is. i promise teams calling are talking about him as barely an asset and don't want to pay what comes after his rookie deal.

neither team would even consider it but noel for jordan clarkson is a deal that makes sense for both sides, sixers can use anyone who can dribble and in theory clarkson can guard 1s and play sorta off ball on O with simmons and also play backup pg. also the lakers have capped themselves out after this summer with some of the embarrassing contracts they signed.

Seems like a pretty mediocre fit. I think a 3 and D guard is optimal with Simmons and Clarkson isn't good at either. Also, Nerlens makes the Lakers better this year, which makes their draft pick worse. The pick situation makes the Lakers a pretty awkward trade partner.

I agree that he's an ok buy low guy, but the combo of: made of glass + rfa + chode makes me weary of his future as a positive asset

I think it's too early to say that he's made of glass. He's played 87% of his team's games the last two seasons.

I'm extremely skeptical about the time missed this season - it was a very minor surgery that appeared out of nowhere and seems like it might have been a cover for the ongoing situation with his role.

I'm in the minority on this one, but I also think his attitude issues are pretty overstated right now. He was patient for several years and didn't complain at all last year despite being forced into a horrible role next to a guy that was arguably one of the worst players in the league. His numbers, perception, role, and financial future all took a big hit. The team was sacrificing his development for Okafor. Noel's just been taking it for a year and a half - at some point he needs to stand up for his self-interests.

It's also possible that he's known for a while that he's not part of the team's future and Colangelo is passing up trades waiting for the best possible offer, to the further detriment of Noel's future (it's actually worse for Noel because the better the offer, the worse the team is that Noel goes to). It's just a miserable situation for Noel all around.

Nikola Jokic will end up a top X player in the league?



I think he's already top 25ish per minute, and given enough minutes he should creep into the high teens. I don't know of his ceiling though.

if you're playing for rangz everyone on your team has to be able to defend a little. won't be able to completely hide someone against another good offense

Niko's defensive metrics have been good though.

my post wasn't in response to jokic. was talking about pg related stuff. thought i quoted a post

Are you asking about where he peaks? I think he'll peak lower top 10 and spend a lot of his career in the 10-20 range as a championship #2.

Dood just couldn't stand to see that a young center other than jokic was being talked about

lol I honestly didn't even read before spooging my Jokic wad.

I agree with McBeef that noel can be quite good given the right situation. I think putting him on a winning team, or a team trying to win in anything other than a backup role could be bumpy though.

the description in the jokic vid is spot on - nurkic looks SUPER salty about jokic stealing his minutes

Yeah I'm pretty sure Nurk isn't happy with playing 11 minutes in the last three games... But when you're out there turning the ball over 4 times/36 you shouldn't be playing.

I think he might also be on the block, wouldnt mind seeing him dealt for an Ed Davis type career backup who knows to stay in his lane.

havent paid too much attention to nba this year. just started to actually. seems that embiid is pretty awesome. am I missing something?

Evan Turner + unprotected 1st for Noel

Do sixers decline that? Are they getting better offers than the ~15th pick for him?

They should absolutely be getting better than that.

Once again, Noel averaged over 2 steals AND 2 blocks per36 as a ROOKIE. why should biyombo be worth a max and noel worth garbage

the biyombo comparison is interesting.

Not sure if ironic but both are young prospects with elite defense and bad bad offense except Noel has got better potential on both ends due to vastly superior tools. his ceiling is basically DAJ with better defense

health obviously in favor of biyombo but after his year out, Noel has been reasonably healthy playing most games and had a random injury this season is all.

Biyombo isn't worth a max and you're trading for Noel for the rest of this year plus the ability to match whatever offer he gets this offseason. If you're not willing to max him then it's pretty dumb to give up much to possibly only rent-a-player if you're not competing for a championship this year. You could hang onto whatever asset and sign Nerlens this offseason if you really like him.

Plus he might stink. Hard to tell from the Philly situation but most guys that have left have stunk.

Only if they get hurt doing a banned activity are they pissed off

Philly has $16 milly in cap space

In for the lolz

Okay well we can come back to my proposal when he gets traded.

Teams aren't offering **** or he would be moved by now.

I think it's somewhere in between. Philly probably thinks he has value, but the teams that really could use someone who needs a bit of polish (bad/mediocre teams) don't want to give up their good draft picks or players.

The good teams that want him don't have that type of asset available.

I think he ends up going to a good team after no bad teams come with offers.