I'm not all that excited about Heild. 4year college volume scorer normally doesnt translate into much in the pros. He can shoot though so hes gonna have a place.

I think I'd do Wiggins and the pick for Butler. Butler/Towns is a sick one two punch.

Wiggins has to have more trade value than Butler. 7 years of control vs 3.

I'm thinking Wiggins + Pek for Butler + #14

Lavine + pick for Butler. Thibs should call in some favors (e.g. tell Butler to strong arm the bulls and say he does not want to be traded to lolBoston or whoever can beat the Wolves' offer).

Or just say Bazz + pick + future pick for Butler. Getting Butler would be so sick.

don't think Bazz has that much trade value

Lavine, Bazz, and the pick seems realistic if they're not going to part with Wiggins

I could totally see Zach ending up the best of the Wolves assets minus KAT too

Butler has 3 years left and no leverage though. I think Boston comes in and offers them 3+ a lot more..

Buddy is going to be special I think. His progress was astronomical last season compared to the year before. We could have a world class offensive threat on our hands here by the start of next season. I'd YOLO and pick him #1 just like the Clippers should have done with Curry instead of Flake Griffin.

If he keeps doing whatever he did last offseason he's going to be so sick

Buddy talk this year has reminded me of the year Paul was drafted 4.

Everyone talking about how he's the best player in terms of sure thing but people are finding reasons not to take him.

I dunno **** tho, just talking about talk. Haven't watched any of these kids. Didn't watch the tourney at all this year.

I think he does, which is imo why they should tell Chicago Wiggz for Butler straight up or GTFO. I think that'd be a sick trade for the Wolfen.

In my opinion, Hield is going to depend SO MUCH on where he lands.

If he lands on a team that is going to play team style basketball with getting tons of 3s being huge on offense, and they are okay helping him often on defense, he will be fantastic.

If he's just a rook in a vacuum and has to do it all and grind it out (looking at you Thibs), it might be a disaster.

I personally think, he is going to be good and a top 5 player from this class all said and done.

Hield has dramatically improved every year, a pretty underrated part of a prospect's potential especially when people like to use Senior against players like him and Steph.


At worst he's a great shooting asset

He'd be rookie of the year with the Wolves

Anyone still believe the Cavs can win it all?

Kyrie for Paul George.

I think people like Kevin Pelton have done studies on this and players that drastically improve every year of college are worse off than guys with the same overall college stats but were better initially.

He didn't drastically improve each year really. For 3 years he was okay and then his 4th season he made an otherworldly jump in skill.

He had a pretty comparable year to Curry's volume and efficiency wise. Against lol college players obv though. 30% usage too with 66% true shooting.

Drafting on potential is an okay strategy, but this guy already has actual basketball skill which most draft picks are severely lacking.

I'd want more to give up Wiggins. He's younger just coming into his own with a bigger ceiling. I don't think you're hoping he turns into jimmy butler. You're hoping he turns into hof franchise player and if not prolly will be a butler type. Jimmy already hit his peak imo, he's 6 years older and coming off injury last year. But really i wouldn't give up wiggins unless the offer was ridiculous. Dude has serious bounce.

Trading Wiggins for Butler straight up would be a bad deal for the Wolves and I don't even like Wiggins. As long as the Wolves don't somehow get stuck with DLose I'll be fine though.

Wiggins has a very high ceiling that he hits like 10% of the time, maybe less with Thibs. You have a top 3 player at the scarcest position and you know how he's going to play with Thibs. Gimmy Jimmy over Wiggs every time.

This is pretty much my opinion. Wiggins ceiling > Butlers, but the known quantity of elite wing player is a lot to pass up.

There's a lot to not like about Wiggins game, and I'm a pretty big Wiggins fan boy. He doesn't always play defense, his shooting is erratic and he doesn't rebound/assist too much. You can chalk a lot of that up to some loltastic coaching by Sam Mitchell this last year because the second half of Wiggins' rookie season he was looking really good. He's super young, which is part of the reason why it's hard to trade him, but also hard to figure out what his actual value in the NBA will be.

I would prefer it if we could see the young guys under thibs for a year before we look at trading assets tbh, but god damnit it's jimmy buckets

Yeah world class shooters are still sneakily extremely valuable assets. I don't know how I'd feel about picking him like 5th or so though.

Yeah, this makes total sense. You really want to wait on Wiggins, but at the same time he might not make the jump next year and/or clash with the coach, hurting his value on the trade market.

The way I see it is can you win a title with Jimmy/KAT/Rubio as your big 3? I would say yes, especially if you sprinkle a great pick at #5...
Imagine if Bender dropped, gg west.

I know neither Rubio or Jimmy are great shooters, but I think they'd find a way to space the floor with bigs and be one of the best defensive back courts in the game.

The point is moot though because I think Ainge steps in and makes a much better offer.

Butler contract is amazing, Wolves would snap-trade Wiggins for him. At less than 20M a year, its an insane bargain. If Wiggins becomes a perennial top 10-15 player, it could be worth it, but its super speculative.

Wolves can't just wait

In 2/3 Years they'll need to overpay by 5m a season every young player because potential cost a lot of money on a contract. If you need to pay 3 Harrison Barnes type of player at the same time you're ****ed

They need some value veteran contracts and they can trade anybody except KAT for those value players