I'd take Gordon for Vale, deal noze?

This was a good deal for both teams. Green was mindblowingly horrible in Indiana, truly a massive negative. Plums would have received zero minutes this year, and looked pretty damn stiffy in the garbage time he received last year. And a (very) late 1st isn't that great of an asset. Scola isn't as great as Pacers homers believe, but he's clearly worth more to a team trying to ring than those two. 48 minutes/game at the 4 from West and Scola is a good look.

Basically, Plumlee and the 1st were the price required to dump Green's contract, one which possibly would have prevented the Pacers from resigning BORN READY next year, considering how strongly the Pacers owner/management feels about not paying the lux. tax.

and at the Knicks banner

Great stuff.

that was an embarrassing deal for indy and it's indefensible on every level

lol scola

edit- it's horrible to argue that they needed to dump gerald green bc scola sucks donkey dick and makes more money and they went out and gave the same ****ing gerald green contract to chris copeland who is the SAME EXACT PLAYER and fulfills the SAME EXACT ROLE for the team (DNP-CD)

it's great and all that indy killed it w/ drafting and development but this is a braindead move by a FO that is pretty braindead when it comes to anything other than evaluating prospects.

Who do you all have, Kate Nash or Lily Allen?

Good post on the Scola trade, DrElo. I liked Plumlee's game, but we needed offense coming from the bench.

Dean, Gerald Green sucks and that late 1st isn't gonna be a good player.

lolled

Gerald Green's numbers in Indy:

.465 TS
9.9 PER
31.4 3p%
36.6 FG%
7.9 Ast %age

and no defensive awareness whatsoever

pretty strong stuff

yeah well it's a good thing that you used the money saved (and then some) to add scola and copeland who are so much better lulz

What do you expect with that **** coach you have?

horrible defense, luis scola is actively bad and you gave up assets to acquire him. at least gerald green was dnp'd and didn't actively play rotation minutes that harmed the team. here's teh ranking of assets swapped:

plum > pick >>>>>>>>>> g-money > scola

pacers got raped

Scola's deal is unguaranteed for next year. It doesn't matter how much Scola/Green make this year; Pacers had no issues with the cap this year. Next year, Granger and LANCE come off the books. IIRC, Green has two more guaranteed years left.

Let me put it to you another way ... based off of my eye test, Gerald Green was the worst player I'd ever seen receive rotation minutes, except for the random dudes they picked up in the Brawl year.

Copeland was supposed to receive minutes this year, then BIRD saw a way to dump Green's contract and receive a player that is an upgrade on Hansbrough at the backup 4.

your eyetest is obv bad if you haven't noticed that scola is a steaming pile of aids

that seems to be the disconnect holding you back from being correct in this discussion

um, thanks?

On what planet is Scola not >>>>>>>>>> mother****ing Gerald Green?

Edit: I fully understand that Scola isn't some star. But he's better than Hansbrough and he's certainly better than Green.

Double Edit: Scola has had a >15 PER every single year except for the 21 game sample this year. Yes, he plays porous defense. But it doesn't seem so bad to give this AIDS scrub 15mpg ...

As usual, Bird = GOAT

lol at the 25 year old rookie Miles Plumlee being some sweet asset

He was slightly good for the Ft. Wayne MadAnts last year

He played a lot of minutes here, and I have to agree with DrElo that by the eye test he was one of the worst rotation players I have ever seen play for a good team. I do agree with you that Scola kind of sucks and the trade was not good for Indiana.

gerald green's badness is irrelevant to the discussion. he was $7M of deadweight salary, don't need to go further than that

it was an obv mistake to give him a multi-year deal to begin with, but they only appended the error by trying to convert him to scola.

It's funny to be on this side of the convo, because I've been telling all of these Pacers fans that Scola kinda sucks. They absolutely love him.

These are my assertions:

- Gerald Green was a significantly negative asset for the Pacers
- Scola, despite his flaws, is still better than lolHansbrough and has only this year guaranteed
- Miles Plumlee was a 24/25 year old rookie who still looked super raw despite playing 4 years at Duke. It remains dubious that he is a rotation player at all despite doing some good things on the Suns over 20ish games.
- A very late 1st round pick isn't some massive asset. Obviously it is somewhat valuable, but having to give a guaranteed deal to the ~30th best prospect next year isn't so great for a team right at the cap
- I've only seen a couple of Suns games this year, but if their fans still like Green he's clearly on a heater and/or they haven't yet realized that he is perhaps the dumbest player in the NBA.

Even if you disagree with a couple of these points, where exactly is the "rape"?

Gerald Green's badness was brought up because Suns fans were acting like he was an additional asset they got in the trade rather than being 7M of deadweight salary.

You're right though. I don't get why the Pacers have to trade a first rounder AND Plumlee AND take Scola who's pretty bad himself, just to get rid of 7M in deadweight salary, while the Warriors get rid of 20M in deadweight salary to the Jazz and give up less assets than we did. I agree that Bird doesn't seem to be much of a negotiator, although he's obviously done amazing in the draft.

And if resigning Lance while staying under the luxury tax were such a huge priority, maybe Bird could have not just given Chris Copeland 3M/year to sit on the end of the bench?

Money Money Money

Man KCP did a lot of things right tonight, that kid might end up being a really solid rotation player for a contender. I haven't seen much of him this year, but he really impressed me.

kcp is pretty funny, pretty much everyone who watches him likes what they see.but his stats are horrible, 9per, 44ts, never gets to the line etc

i'm a believer too btw

Dean,

You mad?

Do you guys think retail 10% juice sportsbetting can be beatable sometimes. Or i mean to say do you think the sharps always are nailing lines perfectly?

Like tonight suns vs lakers. They really had no way of knowing how effective Kobe would be and i doubt if the lakers were truly 3.5 point favorites. More like the suns probably had the edge.

Also seems like rather than prioritizing setting perfect lines they will set it to where they get equal action on each side of the bet and just take the juice. So for example if they thought a ton of Lakers homers would be betting LA tonight cause kobe is back they would set the line further into LA favorite territory than it really should be to get more bets on the suns side to even things out and prevent possibly taking a large loss. Do they do this?

I play poker on bovada so ive been betting games there the last year for sweats and fun usually 1-10 games a night over a couple major sports. I don't try to make money just not lose too much lol but wondering if anyone actually does make money at that sportsbook. I know you probably need to be super dedicated and have volgaris models etc. and focus on one sport to gain an edge but anyone here win who is more casual about it?