Jeez Iggy just destroyed Joe Johnson. 6 points and 5 turnovers. Such a joke that he's never made an all defensive team.

Mike Conley pisses me off and I doubt my team (Grizz) will ever do anything but isn't Zbo a max player? I mean this guy produces day in and day out. I used to hate him because he wouldn't ever shut up but he's really matured. Unless the Grizz sign him to a max contract I can't see him staying.

On the offensive end..maybe a max player. On the defensive end, certainly not. I could see him getting in the 15mil/year range from a bad team.

Defensive gap seems to be less against Miami/Boston than the rest of the league in general. Not sure if the stats back this up bur iirc labron stated a couple years back that Carmelo was the toughest guy for him to go against because of melo's lower body strength. And without remembering any specific h2h matchups i would think melo's defensive style would match up well v pierces offensive game. Their drtg might go down markedly over the course of the season but the dropoff is minimal against the only two matchups where it matters.



put me in the camp that really likes this team, at least for 2 more years.



this got me checking some of teams that have had a bad decade and lol bucks:

1rd picks from '98 to '07

'98 Robert Tractor Trailer (dirk trade)
'99 Galen Young
'00 Jason Collier
'02 Marcus Haislip
'03 T.J. Ford
'05 Andy Bogut (luckbox consensus #1)
'07 Yi
'08 Joe Alexander


to their credit they managed to mine luc Richard, sessions, ersan, keith bogans, dan gadzuric, flip murray, michael redd, and rafer alston all in the 2rd during that time span

that is a really good point about melos offense helping to neutralize his opponent, at least in the case of pierce, who did absolutely nothing in the recent cavs series bc he was gassed from checking labron.

ive watched games like this before. i know others like it, but to me it feels so foreign. ive watched hundreds of games w/ announcers, it's like breaking tradition to just not have them there.

As much as I love Blair, the Spurs would curbstomp the Celtics (or Heat) if they had KLove, he'd be a combination of Blair and Red Rocket.

best of both worlds: watch the games on chinese streams, next to those guys Gus Johnson sounds like Joe Buck.

i remember GKA 3 years ago said "every random baller always thinks they're ben wallace".

more specifically, white guys who actually suck always think they're ben wallace. (altho i do think seadood is asian)

anyway, hope it went well, seadood. my rec game was bad tonight.

Really? They're pretty much even wrt rebounding. Love is obviously better offensively, but does he make the Spurs offense that much better? He's not going to be getting the ball nearly as much and their offense is already 3rd in the league. I think there's a decent chance Blair is a better defender too. It might make them better, but I don't think it's significant.

We'd all be talking about how Duncan is washed up cuz he only gets 4 rebs a game thanks to K-Love thievin'.

I know you're not the leveling type so I have to ask - what logic can you possibly use to say Blair is equal to Love when is comes to rebounding? Love is a much better rebounder all across the board from all the information we have.

Spurs + KLove = possible best team of all time

Yes. It would be gg NBA.

Love does everything better than Blair, including, but not at all limited to, the things that Blair does extraordinarily well.

it would def mean a UCLA cheerleader notch on TP's belt.

lmaooo

He's significantly better at carrying usage, shooting 3s, scoring in the post, passing, offensive-rebounding and defensive-rebounding. Pretty useful.

We've talked about how offensive rebounding is a better indication of true rebounding ability, right?

Love's per 36 oreb numbers: 3.4, 3.8, 4.8
Blair's per 36 oreb numbers: 4.8, 4.5

Love also gets more opportunities... the Spurs make 47.1% of their shots while the TWolves make 44.2% of their shots.

If you want to look at their oreb%, Blair's career number is 15.3 to Love's 14.6.

Also, just from watching, I think Blair's positioning/instincts wrt offensive rebounding are better. I'm not going to try to argue he's a better rebounder, but I don't think there's a whole lot of difference.

You've mistaken Love's per-game numbers with his per-36.

Of all the things they do, I will agree that they are closest at offensive-rebounding, which is pretty much the only thing Blair is out there to do. Love doing it for 16 extra minutes per game, though, clearly separates them.

My bad, you're right: 4.8, 4.8, 4.7 for his per 36 numbers

Still, with getting a lot more opportunities, I think Blair's numbers are arguably better.

If we're talking about value in a vacuum, sure. That's not what I am saying though. Do you not think Blair's rebounding is sustainable over an extra 16 minutes per game?

I don't think their defensive rebounding numbers are all that important, as I don't think the Spurs defensive rebounding would be all that affected by a swap.

kbfc speaking the truth itt (as usual).

Just go by OR%. It's a 0.4% difference. Negligible, and that's despite Blair having no other responsibility in the offense.

Bulk matters, period. Whether Blair could sustain those #s for the extra 16 minutes is almost a philosophical question, as he's unlikely to ever see those 16 minutes, at least in part because of reasons why he wouldn't be able to sustain them. So no, I don't think Blair can or will sustain those numbers for an extra 16 minutes per game.

Blair isn't even a particularly good DRebber. KLove is elite, despite the 0.5 marginal DRs/G he steals from teammates, or whatever the actual number is (likely an order of magnitude smaller than whatever bloggers think). So yes, there are definitely diminishing returns in DRs, but this one still isn't close.

Overall yes. In that quote, I was speaking only to ORebs.

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Someone else is gonna have to handle this one. I've got a Labron movie to viddy.

not more guys more important to their team than horford is to the hawks

said it in TZ two years ago, i think it's pretty apparent now

he's the hawks best defender and best player by a decent margin

lolhawks

1/2 Asian, and tonight I probably played like said white guy....

Obligatory rec-league talk