NBA Season Thread 2010-2011 - Page 214 - Sporting Events and Fantasy Sports

Assani,

there's a lot of fat dudes who can mash baseballs. It's an incredibly hard skill.

I mean, by your logic, most solid athletes should be able to put in the effort and become 210 bowlers.

can most people not become 210 bowlers? Maybe I'm just really "coordinated" then, I dunno....I never bowled much at all until my roommate convinced me to join a bowling league maybe 5 or 6 years ago. At first I was averaging around 110 or 120 per game. By the end of the season(about 3 months) I was averaging around 170-180(my average for the entire league was a little bit under 150 I believe). So I assume that if I had stuck with it then I'd be able to reach 210.

I do agree that theres a difference between the type of athleticism that allows you to jump high/run fast and the type of athleticism that allows you to quickly pick up proper form or have good balance. Maybe its even more of a factor than I'm giving it credit for.

11-03-2010 , 06:50 PM

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im sure you can find a million situations like this with scheduling.

the amount of occurrences doesnt mean it makes sense anytime it happens.

11-03-2010 , 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by CalledDownLight

the amount of occurrences doesnt mean it makes sense anytime it happens.

Then call up Stern and tell him you'll make the schedule. Not quite sure what you're looking for here.

11-03-2010 , 07:00 PM

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Tarheels,

you're just being argumentive. PPs TO #s remained largely flat while his TS% jumped big.

Wrt to the tri, I didn't mean anything special about it (though I suspect it is less to prone than a dribble drive kick offense), more with their familiarty with a passing system. All that really matters is they kept TOs manageable and they got after the glass. I think it's likely MIA continues to struggle in those departments, or at the very least have a higher learning curve wrt to keeping TOs down than we realize since they brought two high usage high TO guyz together who take a lot of chances and commit a fair # of charges.

his ts% rose why. . .b/c he was creating less overall (correct me if i'm wrong here). why was he creating less? presumably b/c he wasn't as good it, save end of games when it became obv that he wasn't as good at it. what i'm getting at here is that the offense had skilled players, but didn't have a top notch creator on it. pierce tried to fill that role and did so in spurts, but not consistently like he may have been able to do at a younger age. so you say, a good offense needs different pieces than what we think, i say that offense didn't have pieces of the caliber that people thought it did when calling a goat level offense on paper

i don't disagree about the learning curve fwiw, but that's a distinct point from whether the sum is more, less, or equal to the parts

11-03-2010 , 07:01 PM

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Then call up Stern and tell him you'll make the schedule. Not quite sure what you're looking for here.

I'm asking why it happens of course.

Hawks are at Minn on Fri (why not make Det a stop on the way?) and Pistons are back home on Fri (just let them stay there).

The Hawks next game at Det follows a day off after a home game. Then the Hawks go to Boston after a day off. The Pistons have 2 days off on both sides. Seems like that game would be more easily played in Atlanta than this one.

The other game in Det this season makes sense as the Hawks have an off day before it and after it whereas Det is on the back end of a back to back at home and then has a day off before another home game.

It just seems to me like this is a VERY easy fix and saves travel for both sides.

11-03-2010 , 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by kidcolin

Meh, weak point. They were all still quite elite at that point, withe the possible execption of Ray (who had just put up a crazy season in Seattle). Maybe he was just "really ****ing good" by that season. You still had 3 awesome offensive players combine to make a very good but not great offense. However they worked their tails off to be a sick, sick defense.

I think there's a couple reasons. One was KG was very zeroed in on being great defensively. He was content to settle for jumpers and save energy for the defensive end. Even still he had a solid offensive season.

The 2nd, and more important point is, none of these guys exceled at two of the important factors of offensive efficiency: TOs and ORebs. Go look at the team four factor #s. eFG% and ft/fga are both great. They were below avg on the o glass and awful with TOs.

The problem wasn't their decline. The problem was our preception on what makes a great offense. We see names like kg, pierce, Allen, and all we think is "buckets". We see Wade, bron, and bosh and we think "how do you defend that? Buckets.". But the truth is, defense in the NBA is pretty damn good and can do a decent job not giving these guys whatever they want. But chances are Wade and bron are gonna turn it over a lot like they always do, and if bosh isn't crashing glass, they're simply not going to be a crazy efficient offensive team.

The reason the lakers dominate offensively (which wasn't even the case for last year, but was very much true for the other pau years) is because they have the triangle down and keep TOs low while having the size and gumption to get after the o glass.

great post.

11-03-2010 , 07:02 PM

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if i ever have kids, i will order my kid to dribble 2 balls at all times. he will not be allowed to shoot until he's like 12 or something.

i remember back when he was at stanford they had a segment on how brevin knight's dad only let him dribble a tennis ball and shoot a volleyball until he was 15.

my pops used to tell me you should only be shooting from a distance of "one + your age" if you want to keep shooting with proper form. luckily that means i can start bombing them from 24 feet now.

11-03-2010 , 07:05 PM

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Citing guys who could play the position better is ******ed. Kobe, LBJ, Wade and several others could play PG better than the 20th PG, doesn't mean anything.

The players I cited were Amare, Camby, and Al Jefferson. They all have played extensive minutes at the center position. None of your examples have played extensive PG minutes ever.

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Considering most of the guys you named ARE injured, I think it's fair to call him a top 15 C at the very least (as written in my post)

Your statement was that any all star is at worst top 15 at his position. Here are 15 guys who were healthy at last year's all star break who were better:

1. Gasol
2. Gasol
3. Noah
4. Perkins
5. Horford
6. Varejao
7. Dwight
8. Lopez
9. Duncan
10. Bogut
11. Jermaine O Neal(was very good last year actually)
12. Nene
13. Bogut
14. Haywood
15. Bynum

Just for ***** and giggles heres 5 more:

16. Okur
17. Jefferson
18. Okafor
19. Shaq
20. Camby

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Obviously he's not the best defender but he's a strong offensive center

No hes not. Hes not a good offensive rebounder, hes not a good passer, and he isn't an efficient scorer. The only thing he does well is score a decent amount of points(by taking a lot of shots, 52.7% TS is quite bad). Thats a very replaceable skillset.

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He has some moves and doesn't look like a fool with the ball in his hands like most C's do like Perkins.

I don't care what he looks like. Hes not good. Last year's numbers:

Perkins: 13.2 points and 8.7 shots per 36 minutes
Kaman: 19.3 points and 16.6 shots per 36 minutes

He scored 6 more points, but he shot nearly 8 more times. How on earth do you look at that and think hes better????

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As for the casual fan above, I wouldn't vote in Kaman myself to the all star game. I don't care for the fan voting although I completely understand why they do it. I guess it's just some strange coincidence that so many teams coveted Kaman last year. He was coveted perhaps more than any other player during the year. I guess teams like players who suck.

wtf???

11-03-2010 , 07:05 PM

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Tarheels,

really think you're having your cake and eating it too. All the Cs had to do was protect the ball to be a greT offense. Their team eFG% and ft rates were amazing. Someone (either jointly as a team or some great passer) was "creating.". They were straight buckets.

Could MIA be the best O in the league? Possibly. My guess is they'll be good not great due to TOs and orebs.

11-03-2010 , 07:07 PM

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tarheeljks

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so like saying the lakers dominate b/c they have the triangle down is misleading imo. comfort w/n the offense is necessary, but not sufficient

11-03-2010 , 07:08 PM

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I think Kaman sucks, too, but wasn't he voted into the All-Star team by Western Conference coaches and not by fans like Jumanji?

casual fans have absurd love for kaman. i got in a huge fight on another board when i disputed he was a top 3 center.

11-03-2010 , 07:09 PM

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i remember back when he was at stanford they had a segment on how brevin knight's dad only let him dribble a tennis ball and shoot a volleyball until he was 15...

i don't know much about advanced stats, but is a .476 TS% and .414 eFG% over a career any good?

about the dribbling, remember hearing the same thing about Steve Nash, that growing up he used to dribble a tennis ball everywhere he went.

11-03-2010 , 07:11 PM

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Jamal Crawford out tonight, Jordan "DunkButnahhhh" Crawford to get extended burn for the Hawks.

11-03-2010 , 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by aejones

this is funny b/c I was bombing three's when I was in 7th grade and couldn't shoot at all later on. Good thing dribbling has no age.

11-03-2010 , 07:30 PM

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Assani Fisher

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Orlando gonna cover the 18.5 spread in teh 1st quarter maybe!

11-03-2010 , 07:32 PM

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Whoa, B-Ref must have jacked up their sponsor prices. $36 to sponsor Armon Johnson.

11-03-2010 , 07:32 PM

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Sorry it's late guys, honest this is what I thought preseason:

1. Heat- 67
2. Magic- 60
3. Celtics- 52
4. Bucks- 49
5. Bulls- 47
6. Hawks- 46
7. Knicks- 39
8. Pacers- 37

1. Lakers- 64
2. Thunder- 60
3. Jazz- 57
4. Hornets- 56
5. Blazers- 54
6. Nuggets- 52
7. Spurs- 50
8. Clippers- 49

I feel dumb about the Clippers now.

Heat > Pacers
Magic > Knicks
Celtics > Hawks
Bucks > Bulls

Heat > Bucks
Celtics > Magic

Celtics > Heat

Lakers > Clippers
Thunder > Spurs
Jazz > Nuggets
Hornets > Blazers

Hornets > Lakers
Thunder > Jazz
Thunder > Hornets

Celtics > Thunder

MVP: Durant
ROY: Griffin
MIP: Felton
COY: Hornets Coach

11-03-2010 , 07:33 PM

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http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2010/1...ons-a-week-in/

54 wins for the Raps! Woooooooooooooooooooo!

11-03-2010 , 07:35 PM

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Also, I'm making a playlist for a girl, here's what I got so far:

Weezer- Across the Sea
Coldplay- Your Love Means Everything to Me
Bob Dylan- Don't think twice, it's alright
Vampire Weekend- Campus

Also, got some pretty hilarious stories, I'll fill you all in sometime.

11-03-2010 , 07:35 PM

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Wow, Orlando is gonna win this game by 50. -18 and -10.5 1st Half were great bets imo.

11-03-2010 , 07:37 PM

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I wonder how long it'll be profitable to bet on Orlando and Miami every game? I've bet on all of their games so far, and the books are definitely adjusting more and more(can you believe a line opened at 18 and went up??!!!) but how much more can they "adjust" when they're already making the lines this big?

edit: Have the Lakers covered in every game too so far? I haven't bet on many of their games so I haven't paid attention.

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11-03-2010 , 07:37 PM

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96 in a row is pretty sick greear.

anatta shot 82% from the line was pretty good at it from all the 21 he played growing up. still could go out there and count dribbles 1-2-3-4-5 put it in at decent clip.

true glory days ft tale anatta's jr high school fed into 3 high schools and we were all rivals since we knew each other and anatta played one rival at home with the second rival having a lot of fans since they were off. we were down by 2 with 8 second our point guard newphew to original clyde the glide took it up and found anatta who did the larry bird turn around. missed got fouled 1 second left. true story. they call time. now anatta only had 6 points been in foul trouble but hit his last 2 jumper so knew he was hot. anatta was smiling walking to bench shaking his head at the other bench laughing. serio laughin man. anatta couldnt believe they bailed him out and fouled him and he knew knew he was gonna hit the fts. anatta goes to line. the fans from the other school, on our home court, chanting CHOKE CHOKE CHOKE for real man. anatta hits em both all net backpedals and points to heckling fans not looking just pointing. we go into ot, outscore them 4-0 and the next day richmond times dispatch said anatta calmly hit 2 shots to send game into OT and 2 more in ot to lead the homestanding chief over their rivals... man cool story bro if anatta ever heard one.