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03-31-2011 , 05:00 PM
RIP was known for running a 5 min miles

There is also rumors of Iverson running a 4min 30sec-ish mile not sure how true that is.
03-31-2011 , 05:02 PM
NFL skill positions + defensive backs > soccer dicks > nba as far as raw athleticism goes imo. comparing NBA to soccer is pretty lame b/c there is a height requirement which destroys the sample that NBA gets to draw from. Comparing NBA to NFL linemen makes more sense imo
03-31-2011 , 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by NameOnTheCake
omparing NBA to soccer is pretty lame b/c there is a height requirement which destroys the sample that NBA gets to draw from.
This is a great point but it isn't the reason why comparing soccer to the NBA is lame. It's the reason why using sample sizes to make the argument is ******ed.
03-31-2011 , 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by mburke05
found a random/weird interview with copstache and a nba-blogger (i know, lol copstache). this is from his days in phoenix based on the references to the differences in raw athleticism/skillsets with regard to chauncey/deron/nash.


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D’Antoni: I think that just knowing how to play the game is an ability or talent that you are born with. It is like playing cards. Everybody knows the basic rules of a card game but then you have really good players who have an ability to assimilate things; I don’t think that you teach that finite thing of being a great card player.
Well, given D'Antoni equated it to card playing, and in fact you actually *can* teach every how/why/what of actually being a great card player, I'm going to go ahead and say his analogy sucks.
03-31-2011 , 05:09 PM
Yeah pretty much takes a really poor understanding of basketball and cards to make that analogy.
03-31-2011 , 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by BobboFitos
Well, given D'Antoni equated it to card playing, and in fact you actually *can* teach every how/why/what of actually being a great card player, I'm going to go ahead and say his analogy sucks.
ya nash d'antoni also made references to bball req'ing court awareness etc and classifying that as athleticism. dont really know which argument it supports, like sethy said its kinda nebulous in a vacuum if you cant define athleticism.

who knows, its kinda a silly argument on either side but i think its interesting hearing difft peoples interpretations of what is athletic.

also loldantoni
03-31-2011 , 05:11 PM
yeah, i think we can all just agree to lol d'antoni and move on
03-31-2011 , 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by BobboFitos
yeah, i think we can all just agree to lol d'antoni and move on
+1
03-31-2011 , 05:22 PM
Eyescrew, go to the top of the pinny page and change it to americans odds. You had it on decimal odds. But for some reason it does that once in a while.

Bobbo, do you bet on nba games?
03-31-2011 , 05:24 PM
Thanks Scherer....

I was looking them up on my phone while eating lunch and I didn't see any sort of toggle to change the odds.
03-31-2011 , 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Schwallie
+1. This is a concise version of exactly what I'm saying.
If stamina doesn't matter at all, sure.

It's a pointless argument at this point anyway. For your definition of "athleticism" it's clear who you think wins, but there is nothing which compels your definition of athleticism to be the universally correct one.
03-31-2011 , 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Schwallie
The dude was 5'8.

I'm not saying he isn't a great athlete or whatever, but I'm simply saying there is a limitation in basketball. You have to be able to jump like him, but you also have to be 6'2 while still being able to maintain that athleticism and ability.

Do you think there is ever any chance that a 5'8 person will be the best all-time basketball player?

Athleticism is probably too vaguely defined. I basically am defining it as what I can or can't do. I can work on my speed, even though I'm quite quick. I can improve my jumping skills and likely get a pretty good vertical from hard work and the correct training.

I can't be 6'8 with a 40" vertical that can bend and move like LeBron and be as fast as some of these soccer players at the same time.

I guess my main argument is to get to the top of the NBA you have to be a whole different animal. You can be as ordinary as you want starting out and be an elite soccer player from hard work and skill. I just think there are a lot more people in the world that could match all of Pele's athletic abilities, and what separated him and others is skill more than what separates LeBron and Michael. Not many can match them athletically, and I include size as an athletic ability when you can also run that fast and jump that high.
well, bolded is complete utter bs and so far removed from reality that i dont think your pov is worthwhile.
03-31-2011 , 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
well, bolded is complete utter bs and so far removed from reality that i dont think your pov is worthwhile.
Agreed.
03-31-2011 , 05:34 PM
Huge games in the WC standings tonight. If Dallas wins they'll be up .5 games on LA, and if LA wins they're up 1.5.

Prolly going to tease both games and take Dallas +11 and Bos +3
03-31-2011 , 05:35 PM


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03-31-2011 , 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by sethypooh21
If stamina doesn't matter at all, sure.

It's a pointless argument at this point anyway. For your definition of "athleticism" it's clear who you think wins, but there is nothing which compels your definition of athleticism to be the universally correct one.

+1 to this post by Seth.

LeBron, and most other pro basketball players for that matter, would have their hands on their knees sucking wind and looking for their Gatorade long before any stopage of play could be counted on to give them a breather.
03-31-2011 , 05:40 PM
Not if they trained their cardio like soccer players.

We can agree that both sports athletes like to flop, soccer players just better at acting.
03-31-2011 , 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by SchererBoy
Huge games in the WC standings tonight. If Dallas wins they'll be up .5 games on LA, and if LA wins they're up 1.5.

Prolly going to tease both games and take Dallas +11 and Bos +3

Absolutely true. Who does Lakerfan root for tonight? Boston or San Antonio?
03-31-2011 , 05:40 PM
where exactly are you seeing dallas +11
03-31-2011 , 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by SchererBoy
Not if they trained their cardio like soccer players.

We can agree that both sports athletes like to flop, soccer players just better at acting.

True but a guy 6'8" can do all the cardio training he wants and he's going to have a very hard time conditioning himself to be able to keep up with the average soccer pro. I'm not saying it's impossible just saying it's exceptionally rare.
03-31-2011 , 05:46 PM
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Prolly going to tease both games and take Dallas +11 and Bos +3
Gonna add 4.5pts for both teams, it pays 2:1
03-31-2011 , 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by SchererBoy
Not if they trained their cardio like soccer players.
then they wouldnt be as explosive or as big as they are now
03-31-2011 , 05:48 PM
oh missed that
03-31-2011 , 05:49 PM
the whole issue is extremely complex and nuanced and there are probably no definitive answers. It's like attempting to define intelligence...you might come up with a system that spits out intelligent people at the top but you're still missing a huge parts of the picture.

I also consider athletic ability to be a form of intelligence, which is why I have no problem calling a guy like Derrick Rose a genius.

Anyway it's an interesting and complex issue that is fun to bs about.
03-31-2011 , 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by sethypooh21
Agreed.
+1, come on dude. Do you think you can become a world class golfer by just practicing really hard? How about a work class chess player? How about a world class anything?

      
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