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03-12-2010 , 12:10 PM

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pwn,

could also result in a freakish reverse super WIM. he wants it so much less than everyone else while loving basketball so much that it sets him free from the pressure of WIM. Not a care in the world, dominates a key game.

we're getting into some heady stuff here.

Good point. He could be the next Brett Favre, just like a kid out there having fun in his Wrangler blue jeans.

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03-12-2010 , 12:13 PM

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that hoops movie with Common and Queen Latifah doesn't look good

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03-12-2010 , 12:14 PM

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Kelly Dwyer on the pulse of TZ!

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The Bulls are in trouble.
I understand this season wasn't supposed to matter. I was out in front, making the clarion call, letting everyone know Chicago was mainly looking forward to the summer of 2010 to take that next step, and that the team would be well pleased with sneaking into the lower end of the Eastern playoff bracket this year, possibly taking in an extra few bullet points to provide to any potential free-agent signings, along with that always desirable playoff revenue.
And here we are, in the second week of March, watching the Bulls try to sneak into the lower rung of the playoff bracket, full of expiring contracts, looking forward to next summer. So what's the difference? Why the worry?
Because that shot at the playoffs? That, "at-least-they'll-be-first-round-fodder" ideal that made all this salary clearing and forward thinking palatable to their fans? It's sliding away.
The Bulls are 31-32 with a game in Orlando Thursday night, already a full game out of the East's top eight. They've lost five straight, Joakim Noah(notes) is still weeks away from returning from a bout of plantar fasciitis (and history tells us he won't be right until the offseason, anyway, with that malady), Luol Deng(notes) is out and suffering through right calf and left knee issues, and the schedule is about to get nasty.
Real nasty. Counting Thursday's loss to game with Orlando, 14 of the Bulls' final 19 games are against teams .500 or better. And it's not as if Chicago has its way with the mediocre ones. Teams like Memphis, Houston and Miami still give Chicago fits, and they'll more than have their way with the Bulls if Noah is gimpy (that's an absolute certainty), and Luol Deng is trying to muddle through yet another injury-plagued year.
All the signs for a flameout are there. Vinny Del Negro is hardly the coach you want navigating a team through times of Strum und Drang, and Chicago's lone strength (it's ability to contest shots and play sound defense) is falling apart with Noah's injury and the (pound-wise, penny-foolish) trade that sent Tyrus Thomas(notes) to the Charlotte Bobcats.
Chicago has gone from sixth in defensive efficiency to 11th over the course of this five-game swoon. The team, as currently presented, is a miserable defensive outfit with some of the worst individual defenders at their respective positions (Derrick Rose(notes), Brad Miller(notes), Hakim Warrick(notes)) having to take on extra duty and play roles that they're just not suited for. With Thomas gone and Noah and Deng out, Chicago just doesn't have the length to contest nor the foot speed to stay with opponents, and the results have been pretty terrible over the last two weeks.
Worse, though Chicago has seen the light offensively at times over the last few games, this is still a terrible offensive team that doesn't get to the line, can't shoot straight from long range and has a miserable time getting easy interior looks.
Even after a hot March, the Bulls are 27th in offensive efficiency this season, about where they've been all year. With Deng and his 18 points per game having to take a seat in favor of undistinguished rookie James Johnson(notes), this only figures to get worse.
It's not pretty, and while the focus for the last two years has been to clear cap space and build around some combination of Derrick Rose, Deng and Noah starting this summer, it still burns a bit to see the final playoff spot fall just short of Chicago's grasp. And though the Bulls will have a game in Charlotte on the last night of the regular season to try and make things right, if the team is two games out of the playoff bracket by then, what will it matter?
We need a patient tone, I understand, because 2009-10 isn't supposed to count. But I don't think even the most dour of the ardent Bulls followers, to say nothing of the team's front office, expected this team to fall short of the top eight in the miserable East.
But with 14 of the next 19 games coming against teams with winning records, last year's starting frontcourt gone to either North Carolina or the sidelines, and a coach that really hasn't proven much of anything in his 144 games at the helm, this is a reality that Bulls fans will likely have to warm to.

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03-12-2010 , 12:22 PM

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is anyone surprised that a team with a short rotation, who had 2 key players injured and another 2 traded, isn't winning games?

PS my avatar is connie montoya. i think that's her name. anyways i like freckles right now.

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03-12-2010 , 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by C-Viggity

Kelly Dwyer on the pulse of TZ!

that's a lot of text to say "we weren't that good to begin with and now with all these injuries we'll miss the playoffs", maybe I missed the point.

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03-12-2010 , 12:23 PM

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From the NCAA thread regarding Favors being confused when asked whether the season was riding on the game against UNC:

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“Derrick doesn’t pay attention to a lot of basketball,” Hewitt said. “You have to understand something. He doesn’t watch a lot of basketball. I promise you, he has no idea the ramifications of this game. I absolutely promise you. He’s not being naive or anything. That’s just the way he is. That’s one of the things I love about him. He comes out and plays and doesn’t get whatever. That’s what he does. He might have thought we had another game tomorrow night if we lost.”

Could he possibly end up with the lowest WIM of all-time? Is this preferable to just being plain insane like Cousins?

Btw, Hewitt must have loved that, his job was/is basically on the line, and his star player has no idea what is going on, lol.

Derrick Favors is my new favorite player.

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03-12-2010 , 12:25 PM

#78982

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Originally Posted by BobboFitos

I'd have Deng over Hinrich. For sure. Other then that, like the list.

I feel like Hinrich is different levels of +EV for basically any NBA team. Deng is possibly more +EV for a small number of them, but I'm also pretty sure he's -EV for more than a small number of them. In a vacuum, I take Hinrich. I realize I'm probably in the minority though.

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Originally Posted by UGotTheTouch

Courtney Alexander obv 2nd worst, where do you put Sean May, above or below Julian Wright? 2005 draft still haunts.

I'd rank the 13th overalls:
1) Richard Jefferson
2) Thabo Sefolosha
zzz...do I really have to rank these other guys? ok...
3) Tyler Hansbrough
4) Brandon Rush
5) Sean May
6) Sebastian Telfair
7) Julian Wright
8) Courtney Alexander
9) Marcus Banks
10) Marcus Haislip

Concur w/ kidcolin that May is underrated because of the injury - though the weight is kind of his fault. And by "kind of", I mean "completely".

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Originally Posted by C-Viggity

Justin Kubatko and the B-R blogging crew speculate that a 7th pick is worth 14.2 win shares over his first four seasons (current max rookie contract)

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Originally Posted by TheUntouchable

What's up with all this win share love? Hard for Curry to accrue win shares on that GS team. Oliver's win shares are stupid.

This, imo.

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Deng getting too much love from Bobbo/C-Vig. The guy is just barely an above average player, and there is decent value in that, but Curry should end up being much better than average.

And this, imo.

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Deng is a barely above average offensive player who is of extreme value defensively, something often ignored anyway unless your name is Dwight Howard

Already been ripped, but "extreme value" defensively? C'mon CVig...you're better than that.

Don't get me wrong, I think that Deng should be arguably the most valuable guy at that spot based on talent. If he embraced an Artest role (develop a three and/or drive a lot more, focus on being a lockdown wing defender, stop taking 5,613 midrange jumpers a year), then he probably would be more valuable than Nene and the others - I just don't see any evidence to support the notion that he'll accept a peripheral offensive role when it's in his team's best interests (meaning, um, always, barring some offensive improvement we haven't seen yet).

BTW - the reason that Deng's win share total is so robust is that he had one year (06/07) where he was healthy for all 82 games and shot really well. Every other year, he's been well below average efficiency at volume.

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03-12-2010 , 12:26 PM

#78983

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Originally Posted by Pwn_Master

Could he possibly end up with the lowest WIM of all-time? Is this preferable to just being plain insane like Cousins?

Btw, Hewitt must have loved that, his job was/is basically on the line, and his star player has no idea what is going on, lol.

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You'd think not worrying about pressure/ramifications of a game would be a major plus

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03-12-2010 , 12:27 PM

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03-12-2010 , 12:27 PM

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HOW WILL HE STEP UP HIS GAME IF DOESNT KNOW ITS TIME TO STEP IT UP????

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03-12-2010 , 12:28 PM

#78986

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Originally Posted by TheUntouchable

Does it say anything about him that Tyrus and Salmons number have both improved rather significantly upon leaving, while Warrick and Murray's numbers have both worsened upon getting to Chicago?

probably, but idk what. maybe that the bulls offensive system just blows

also, i'm down on curry's turnovers just like i am on collison's but the difference is i don't see much in the way of scoring potential for collison. i say that knowing he's had some huge games, but he is not much of a threat in the lane which is a problem unless you're ok w/him dribbling around and shooting jumpers off the dribble. and then there's this

Secs.	Att.	eFG%	Ast'd	Blk'd	Pts
0-10	47%	.544	30%	9%	4.7
11-15	21%	.425	29%	6%	1.6
16-20	17%	.424	44%	7%	1.3
21+	15%	.397	31%	10%	1.1
Crunch	32%	.411	38%	9%	2.4

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03-12-2010 , 12:28 PM

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Man the decline of Sean May. He was so good in that NCAA Tournament. His conditioning is out of control though. Saw him at summer league and he was enormous

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03-12-2010 , 12:31 PM

#78988

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Originally Posted by kbfc

No time to commit turnovers if you run down the floor and take the first shot you can get.

You, sir, are obviously not familiar with Stephen Jackson.

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03-12-2010 , 12:33 PM

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Yo have you guys come by any audio or video of the Sloan conference yet?

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03-12-2010 , 12:33 PM

#78990

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You, sir, are obviously not familiar with Stephen Jackson.

lol 3.9 in 39.7 mpg....considering how many early shots he jacked too....god he's amazing

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03-12-2010 , 12:35 PM

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jeebus monta was going on 4+ this year

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03-12-2010 , 12:35 PM

#78992

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lol 3.9 in 39.7 mpg....considering how many early shots he jacked too....god he's amazing

monta ellis scoffs at this statistic

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03-12-2010 , 12:37 PM

#78993

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don nelson is a truly extraordinary person.

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03-12-2010 , 12:45 PM

#78994

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Collison for Greg oden... Someone tell me good trade

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03-12-2010 , 12:48 PM

#78995

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Collison for Greg oden... Someone tell me good trade

lol @ trading a player who is better on a per min base than either hgh or labron for collison

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03-12-2010 , 12:50 PM

#78996

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Oden was playing that well ???? I didn't even know

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03-12-2010 , 12:53 PM

#78997

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BEST PLAYER IN THE LEAGUE

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03-12-2010 , 12:56 PM

#78998

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check this stat

according to 82games curry has played the most minutes with the following lineup

curry--ellis--morrow--radmanovic--moore

radmanovic averages 22 mpg; basically hasn't played since mid january. mikki moore averaged 18 mpg, but more importantly was released on 1/5/10 and hadn't played a game since 12/14/09 so all of these minutes are from the first 23 games. even more amazing when it seems the warriors have 4 guys play 40+ minutes on a given night. d-leaguer du jour ftl. co, dn