meh. sometime around next year jamison will hit the old man celtic wall and then hickson can start all over again at learning how to play basketball. yay cavs management.

you manage to destroy chemistry, destroy the growth a promising player, destroy flexibility, ruin big man depth and for what?

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more i think about it the more tilted i get.

makin moves to make moves. ferry fail.

vic gonna vic ldo

Man I love when Victor and G10 provide analysis

Jamison trade helps them contend for a playoff spot next year

LOL. I know the Mavs aren't as good as the Lakers but if this game isn't just a mirage, and Haywood really is that big of a difference-maker at the 5, they could at least be pulling even with Denver. I mean it would take a decent amount of run-good for them to get to the Finals but it's not impossible.

Yea Vic's analysis here is some of the worst I've ever seen.

Its like he is only paying attention to JJs last 5-10 games instead of the 20 before that where he was horrible.

and then he is also ignoring that over those last 5-10 games where he has "excelled," his numbers don't even get close to comparing to Jamisons

ok so why was it reported for months that the cavs were reticent to deal with the wizards bc they were concerned wiz would not release z? why was it reported cavs were seeking a 3rd partner so this would not happen? why?

also, i just read that z stands to make about 300k more if he signs immed after he gets released than if he waits the 30 days to sign with cavs.

sooooo, you think the guy who got screwed by the franchise when he had his whole family come from lithuaniastan for his most games played game and then was unceremoniously jettisoned for a mercenary, is just gonna give up 300k come running back to the team that treated him like crap the last couple months?

I'm really not going to argue this. I think we all know better than arguing with you when you get all ******ed-homerish

jamison has played like absolute garbage lately.

last thing the cavs need is a high volume semi chucker. bulk numbers are the worst way to look at this deal. hickson has been extremely efficient lately.

Will Darko play in MIN at all? I don't think enough has been made of how much of a pussy that guy is.

how am i being homerish? cavs completely mortgaged their future for a possible increase. dont think for a second this automatically makes them better this year. losing backup center and changing the team dynamic could be disastrous.

all for a high volume bulk scorer, that they dont even need.

You know you've hit rock bottom when you get traded for the worst player in the NBA, Brian Cardinal (both JoeD draft picks, LOL)

It really makes me sick to my stomach thinking about how good the Pistons could have been if Darko was a hit instead of a masssssive miss. Sigh : /

Victor Victorsssss the oneeeeee, big fun for Cleveland!

i was thinking more along the lines of the rest of this season, esp the playoffs, but this makes sense. jamison plays heavy minutes. even if they decide to cut his minutes heavily and play him in the low 30's, they will still have to give varejao minutes. i guess varejao plays a lot more (if not mostly) at the 5 until z comes back, so hickson can still get minutes in the mid/low teens, but after he returns idk where the minutes will be for him. nice problem to have though


edit: cavs should just play lebron at center magic johnson style until big z comes back


2: and also switch to the triangle

Serious question for Cavs fans: are you guys sure Z still loves Cleveland enough to wait 30 days AND not get many minutes? On paper, it doesn't seem like the best situation for him to split 96 minutes with Jamison, JJ, AV, and Shaq. Obviously, he'll come back if he desperately wants to win with the Cleveland franchise, but he's not really needed there.

I actually agree with Victor here; I think this is a mediocre deal for Cleveland if they get Z back and an absolutely terrible deal otherwise. Jamison's a guy that has way more value on a weak team than a strong team (he was pretty much an afterthought off the bench in Dallas), and the last thing the Cavs want to do is try to force more minutes out of Shaq so that he starts coming up and down the floor even slower and playing even worse transition defense. Stoudemire would have been way better as he has the ability to play the 5 and let Cleveland play up-tempo, and LeBron's such a great passer that he'd fit into that offense almost as well as he did in Phoenix.

Weird seeing Badass Steve Blake in a Clipper uniform

He is an all-star who has played here his whole career. And then he got benched. Yet you haven't heard one peep out of him all year. He was getting few minutes and couldn't shoot worth a ****, but never complained, just said he needed to adjust his pregame and such.

When you're older and a couple years from retiring and have played with one team your whole life, generally you are going to want to continue playing with that team when they give you the best chance in the league to win championships

not a cavs' fan but i do think he loves cleveland that much since he's been there his whole career. that said i don't think jamison or hickson's presence should affect ilgauskas' minutes too much. if a jamison/varejao or hickson/varejao frontcourt crushes in the interim, then maybe he rolls w/it but i doubt it. a lot more likely that hickson falls out of the rotation

edit: b/c they seem to prefer varjeao at the 4

yes bolded is more concise than i have been able to say.

travel-fest in DAL

I don't think its an "awesome omg omg deal" but neither is Amare.


Amare upside compared to Jamison:

1) Better offensive player

Jamison compared to Amare:
1) Better defensive
2) Doesn't need as many touches
3) Is older, doesn't ask to be centerpiece of team
4) Is a known chemistry guy and consummate professional


Yes, Amare has more upside. AND Jamison has more downside, even. But Jamison is 10x more likely to end up in the middle, simply making us better. Amare could cause problems in a lot of ways:
1) He could get mad about his touches
2) Shaq could not be OK with getting less touches with Amare, unlike where he accepts the less touches compared to LeBron.
3) He is known to be a defensive headcase and not especially great in the locker room when not getting touches, and he could cause problems there.

r-lo with the fundamental keeping the ball up after the offensive rebound for the putback.

LOL at the ESPN announcers having a 10-minute conversation about how there are only 5 teams that have a winning record on the road when there are actually 6.

I think you guys are right about Z, but I hope you're wrong. We obviously could use him...this year and next year.