The guy from RaptorsBlog had Perkins as the 8th best Center in the east and he runs the biggest blog for maybe the biggest hardcore fanbase in the NBA. And he had Bargs 5th.

So obv Bargs>Perkins

Basketball's a team sport last time I checked

I think I'm hardly alone in this regard....anyone know of a way to differentiate Celtics team DRtg before and after the KG injury? Can't really validate my argument with or without it IMO.

Wish I could find that awesome Calderon shot chart, it will make me start liking him again.

word.

loooooooooooooooooooooool
<3 Calderon again

it's like the f'n bermuda triangle in there

FlyingRat, congrats on finding one of those blue blocks on youtube tho!

I've never said this, and while I think the difference in overall talent between Okafor and Perkins is clear enough that there really shouldn't be an argument, I do understand that they'd fall within a similar tier.

Take Rondo v Calderon. It seems Rondo's value comes from his being a good floor general, being able to create his own shot, and play defense. Calderon is a better passer, and while probably not as good at creating, can still drive and pull up or finish around the rim decently well. The importance of PG defense I find to be kind of overrated in general. After that Calderon is a miles better shooter than Rondo. Just don't see how one is a lock best PG in the league while the other is, in your opinion, not even average.

i'd hope you are alone in this regard, thinking Rondo is about the same on defense as Kidd or that Rondo >>> Payton is ridiculous and might be the craziest thing i've heard since bobbo's love of APM and auction thread stuff. Heck Kidd >>> Payton is also ridiculous as well and was pretty much based off the crappy DRtg metric which is so lol.

Also not sure how the Celtics team DRtg before and after the KG injury has all to do with Rondo and not the other players as well.

As someone who has seen pretty much all the celtics games, Rondo gets blown by a ton.

Calderon led the NBA in inside shot FG%. He also had the lowest assisted rate. Haters keep hating while Calderon keeps crushing.

I mean maybe I'm being a little harsh. I will never believe Calderon to be an above average point guard in the NBA unless he makes massive strides in his game, although it's mostly due to his athleticism so I don't think there's much room for improvement. Fact of the matter is that Toronto is just incredibly poorly constructed at this moment. They have too many guys with similar skillsets, few of which really amplify each other, and not enough that play defense, top that with the fact that they didn't hold onto Shawn Marion, Anthony Parker and (Chilltown you might not wanna read the next two words) Jamario Moon, and they're going downhill like a Jamaican bobsled team.

Well if he truly was hampered by injuries last year and that was the cause of a lot of his problems(mostly defensively, but also a lack of being able to drive and finish strong at the rim too) then it may be unfair to hold some of the weaknesses he displayed last year against him. However, it seems like thats all speculation. Obviously I love his efficiency and offensive numbers, but at the same time it is indeed troubling that his team's offense was so poor.

I dunno, right now I'd probably have him definitely behind CP3, Deron, Billups, Nash, Rondo, and Parker. I think that we'll have to wait and watch this season to tell where he ranks among the other PGs though because all of them have a lot of questions. How much will Westbrook and Rose improve? Is Arenas healthy? Is Jameer for real or was he just riding a hot shooting hand? Can Harris play that kind of O while playing great D or does it have to be one or the other? Just how good is Sessions? J Kidd deserves to be mentioned too, but its really tough for me to evaluate him because he does seem to do his role extremely well and his role seems to minimize his weaknesses, so should we still count those weaknesses against him and how much?

So basically, I'm not gonna settle anything because I'm not sure....taking a wait and see approach here.

that's why I put likley because from your past arguments it's what I likley concluded considering your ridiculous perkins hate.

Lol my boss just walked up and asked if I had plenty to do. I pointed to a giant stack of crap that has been sitting untouched since this morning while I 2p2 and just nodded.

lol it's because the only time he ever went in the lane was on wide open full court lay-ups and that video you found.

chart is still awesome though

18-FEB-09 MISSED 1 GAME (HAMSTRING).
11-FEB-09 HAMSTRING, DAY-TO-DAY.
06-FEB-09 MISSED 1 GAME (HAMSTRING).
04-FEB-09 HAMSTRING, DAY-TO-DAY.
23-JAN-09 MISSED 6 GAMES (HAMSTRING).
12-JAN-09 HAMSTRING, DAY-TO-DAY.
11-JAN-09 MISSED 4 GAMES (HAMSTRING).
04-JAN-09 HAMSTRING, DAY-TO-DAY.
19-NOV-08 MISSED 2 GAMES (HAMSTRING).
16-NOV-08 HAMSTRING, DAY-TO-DAY.

Damn, I need to go out tonight....didn't do anything at all this past weekend, so its been a while. Friend mentioned the Blue Martini has industry night tonight(located in town square which is ~1 mile south of Mandalay Bay)...anyone ever been there?

You know his tendencies from all these Raptors games you've watched, amirite?

Do you wanna bet against them getting more wins than last year?

I really wish I liked basketball games more because I love **** like this, but I just can't get into them. The results of each play(whether you make or miss a shot for example) always seem so completely random to me and I just end up getting frustrated.

I know most here won't even try it due to their dislike of the sport, but NHL games absolutely destroy all other sports games imo, and this is coming from a guy who never ever watches regular season hockey(maybe will watch 15-25 playoff games if the Caps make the playoffs, 5-10 if they don't).

You make good points, but if you ask me you overate Calderon's ability to create anything outside of a set offense. Most of my love for Rondo comes because of his ability to create offense, which IMO is the best skill set a point guard can have.

It's pretty much impossible to determine if 2008-2009 Rondo is as good as prime Jason Kidd defensively. You think point guards are about the same skill level offensively, I don't.

But as far as the Payton vs. Kidd argument goes, I know this went ad nauseam in pretty much every draft we've done, but if you ask me, Kemp's an all-time elite defensive player (talking top 25 all time here). He's just too big, strong, and athletic not to be. He has the same build as Dwight Howard. Now look at who Kidd played with. Kenyon Martin, Todd McCulloch? GMAFB. And those teams were time and again #1 in the league defensively.

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I might be getting leveled here, but in case I'm not, please sort by "Inside Shots, Points" (you won't find Jose on the list because he only had 2.8 of these per game).

Huh? I know it cause I can see the inside shot numbers and from the enormous amount of free throws he shot (150 total for the season playing 35 minutes a game). His shooting %s are obviously ridiculous and they also aren't the reason he's a detriment to his team.

NBA2K10 has a mode where you create yourself and play up thru the summer leagues, so you only control your own player in the scrimmages and do all the off-ball stuff and improve as you get invited to training camps, etc. You'd like it

NHL and soccer games. They play similarly. I remember back in the day my buddy had NHL 94 or something on his PC. We would get like 6 people huddled around the computer, 1 on the mouse, 2 on either joystick, 1 on the game pad, and 2 on both sides of the keyboard battling till like 4 in the morning. So epic.

Iguodala: .721, 56% AST
Calderon: .764, 12% AST

I don't give a **** how many he took per games, he still led the league in percentage.