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05-21-2018 , 10:45 AM

#5701

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If you swapped Harden into the Warriors system and Durant into the Rockets system, I bet Durant’s efficiency would go down and Harden’s would go up. In other words, the system might be part of the problem. I guess D’Antoni would argue that the Rockets offense is designed the way it is because of Harden’s effectiveness in ISOs.

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05-21-2018 , 10:50 AM

#5702

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D'antoni didn't run this iso based system with Nash. The system is suited for Harden, it's just not as good as the GSW system with who the Warriors have running it. We shouldn't be shocked that a healthy Warriors in the playoffs >> healthy Rockets in the playoffs.

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05-21-2018 , 11:42 AM

#5703

Gene Parmesan

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I thought Draymond was really good last night. He worked his tail off to try to keep Capela off the offensive glass despite giving away height/vert, he had a handful of grab and go's that resulted in good transition opportunities and his ball movement is so good/fast. It's not always making brilliant passes - just making the right pass really quickly. It opens up a lot of stuff for GSW - either slightly more open jumpers, half-step extra for penetration, etc.

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05-21-2018 , 11:55 AM

#5704

OmgGlutten!

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Harden got blown by like 7 times in Game 3.

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05-21-2018 , 12:03 PM

#5705

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Curious to anyone's opinion on why so many of these playoff games being one sided. At this point you basically have the two best teams in each conference so you would figure the games would be more competitive. Idk im bored tho. NHL playoffs has been way more entertainng this year. Could it be all the three point shooting? Like hit or miss and if you miss you just keep trying more to catch up.

Just variance imo. Would be a different story if they were both 3-0. Some games are going to be blowouts and it just so happens we've hit a string of 6 in a row.

I do think we are due for a few closer games coming up, Houston and Clev can both still win their series imo.

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05-21-2018 , 12:30 PM

#5706

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Originally Posted by OmgGlutten!

Harden got blown by like 7 times in Game 3.

But one in every 50 times he tries the reach from behind it works...

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05-21-2018 , 01:24 PM

#5707

jh12547

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Scott foster is reffing tonight’s Celtics game....expect Cavs to win...

The C’s might have 35 fouls called on them tonight

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05-21-2018 , 01:58 PM

#5708

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I can't recall seeing anyone play as bad as Bah Moute has played in this series.

you should have seen him play for the wolves. he was awful.

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Seriously? Every starter was between +21 and +27. Exactly where any individual starter fell in that range in a single game is obviously just noise.

i thought it was pretty clear i was mocking the post from earlier itt

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05-21-2018 , 02:07 PM

#5709

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you should have seen him play for the wolves. he was awful.

i thought it was pretty clear i was mocking the post from earlier itt

Got it. My mistake.

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05-21-2018 , 02:32 PM

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Be interesting to see if LeBron brings it defensively tonight. The gap between his D in game 2 and 3 is probably the biggest gap I've ever seen in a player in a playoff series.

I know people will say he can't play like that because of all the offensive responsibility he has, but if he can actually bring that prime LeBron D then it seems like it would be better for the Cavs to have that and empower Hill/Love more offensively. If he is shutting down Jaylen Brown at times and helping with that type of intensity then it's just going to be hard for the Celts to score. Especially with the TT/Horford adjustment.

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05-21-2018 , 03:37 PM

#5711

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lmao all the bad posters with the Harden hot takes. Take a posting break guys and look at his $tats and watch the games. I think my brain is hurting from all the stupidity, look at the first two games and his playoffs PER, etc. before you embarrass yourselves further. Notice how he has off games randomly against differing levels of competition

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05-21-2018 , 03:37 PM

#5712

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Iggy is probably out for game 4 according to Kerr. Time for Nick Young to show what he's made of.

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05-21-2018 , 03:44 PM

#5713

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His PER minute stats haven't moved since this series has started during the playoffs and his stats like most are worse in the playoffs than the regular season (KD's don't increase either, Lebron is like the only player with serious minutes that does in this era). Big issue is GSW is just better than all the other teams he's already faced. Utah is elite defensively and he was fine that series.

I'd much rather have KD/Lebron than Harden, I think most would. That isn't saying much. He obviously feasts against bad teams and this year decided to go all out in the regular season. Harden deserves the MVP this season but he's likely in the 5-10 range of best players.

this is the correct response, besides the 5-10 thing. He's clearly in the 3-5 range behind LeBron and Durant. There is a reason why Vegas thought the Rockets were going to be competitive against the Warriors, and it isn't just because of the role players. There really aren't any other players that could build a competitive team against GSW as the build around best player.

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05-21-2018 , 03:47 PM

#5714

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The real issue last night was that the Rockets played super soft, and basically gave up mentally 20 minutes in. That was what lead to that embarrassment of play by the entire team, a lot by Harden. I don't expect a repeat for game 4, and am actually surprised the line moved towards GSW from g3

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05-21-2018 , 03:50 PM

#5715

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The real issue last night was that the Rockets played super soft, and basically gave up mentally 20 minutes in. That was what lead to that embarrassment of play by the entire team, a lot by Harden. I don't expect a repeat for game 4, and am actually surprised the line moved towards GSW from g3

20 minutes in was a crazy time to give up mentally. It wasn't like the Warriors were playing unbeatable basketball at that point in the game.

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05-21-2018 , 03:52 PM

#5716

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I'm wondering if the counter-intuitive adjustment for the Celtics to make is to get more playmaking into the starting lineup by replacing Rozier with Smart. This is where they really miss Hayward as another player who can facilitate the offense when Horford is getting smothered by Thompson. The other alternative is to try to force Tatum to be the point forward that they hope he can be in the future.

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05-21-2018 , 04:05 PM

#5717

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well Smart and Morris not taking like 10 iso shots in the first quarter and Tatum only getting 2 shots would be a good start. That's on the coaching...

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05-21-2018 , 04:15 PM

#5718

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Cleveland Cavaliers -$300 on the money line seems reasonable.

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05-21-2018 , 04:19 PM

#5719

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Iggy is probably out for game 4 according to Kerr. Time for Nick Young to show what he's made of.

Line went from 8.5 to 8

Iggy played great last night too, replacing his 30 minutes not going to be easy.

Rockets probably needed a lifeline to have a shot to get back in this.

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05-21-2018 , 04:21 PM

#5720

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nick young is absolute garbage. if he soaks up most of the min could be a big problem. shouldn't even play as much as he has been. looney and livingston should take those minutes, maybe cook

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05-21-2018 , 04:31 PM

#5721

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Livingston has played more than 25 minutes only one time in the last two years. I'm not sure that he is physically capable of soaking up a lot of Iguadola's minutes.

Agreed on Nick Young, of course.

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05-21-2018 , 04:32 PM

#5722

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well Smart and Morris not taking like 10 iso shots in the first quarter and Tatum only getting 2 shots would be a good start. That's on the coaching...

Morris may be uncoachable on the question of how often he should be calling his own number.

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05-21-2018 , 05:18 PM

#5723

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shouldn't be a problem for livingston to play ~25 mpg imo. he hasn't been playing that much b/c there is no need but i don't see why he can't.

to hate on nick young some more-- of the dubs top 10 most common playoff lineups only two are negative and both include nick young. those two lineups are also the only top 10 lineups including him

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05-21-2018 , 05:34 PM

#5724

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Of the top 15 regular season Warriors lineups, only three are negative and two have Quinn Cook. (The other has Nick Young.) I would guess that playing Cook over Young probably doesn't make a difference, so Iggy's minutes should go to other players. More Jordan Bell?

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05-21-2018 , 05:36 PM

#5725

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Originally Posted by Rococo

Morris may be uncoachable on the question of how often he should be calling his own number.

I feel like Stevens is willing to give players like the Marcuses some leeway on shot selection so long as they bring it on defense. I think he has a shorter leash on good offensive players who don't try on defense. IT was a bad defender, but he tried. I think Kyrie put in more consistent effort on defense than he did in Cleveland.

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