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11-25-2020 , 10:59 PM
Your point is fair but TBH IVe learned to just not worry about depth with Brad Stevens teams, he excels and being able to get reg season minutes out of bodies nobody thinks much of.

Also thought it was interesting Zach Lowe said with the S/T Hayward situation it fell through because apparently Danny didnt want Myles Turner's contract. But then you give Thompson $19 mil for the next 2 yrs?
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11-25-2020 , 11:20 PM
It's like now he looks at centers the way BB looks at rbs.

Turner isn't a great rebounder and maybe that's all there is to it.
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11-26-2020 , 01:11 AM
Turner I think it's the idea of Myles Turner far exceeds the reality of Myles Turner the player and Ainge realized that. He's just not that good. It's not just the rebounding he's a negative on offense people call him a floor spacer but nobody guards him they just let him shooot. He doesnt have an actual impact on that end combined with all his other limitations.

When I was making prices for that roster game a couple months ago I knew I had to inflate Myles Turner's price beyond what I thought he was worth because of that. People like the idea of the player and that conception of him is good for team building. So I made him $15 and yet still he was one of the more frequently players in the entire thing.

Part of what surprises me is Boston can take alot of guys and have them take a leap in their infrastructure and scheme. IM a little surprised Ainge didnt look at Turner as that type whom could make a leap and blossom under Brad Stevens.
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11-26-2020 , 01:38 AM
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Turner I think it's the idea of Myles Turner far exceeds the reality of Myles Turner the player and Ainge realized that. He's just not that good. It's not just the rebounding he's a negative on offense people call him a floor spacer but nobody guards him they just let him shooot. He doesnt have an actual impact on that end combined with all his other limitations.

When I was making prices for that roster game a couple months ago I knew I had to inflate Myles Turner's price beyond what I thought he was worth because of that. People like the idea of the player and that conception of him is good for team building. So I made him $15 and yet still he was one of the more frequently players in the entire thing.

Part of what surprises me is Boston can take alot of guys and have them take a leap in their infrastructure and scheme. IM a little surprised Ainge didnt look at Turner as that type whom could make a leap and blossom under Brad Stevens.
yeah its kind of like how meyers leonard is a 7 footer who can shoot 40%, but lacks in other areas to the point he becomes unplayable in the playoffs.

turner has a much better handle and is a much better/more agile defender
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11-26-2020 , 04:11 AM
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Cade Cunningham (OSU) is playing on ESPN right now. He's projected as the #1 pick in the 2021 draft.

Please Basketball Jesus, let the Knicks get the #1 pick next year and select him!

From The Athletic:

1. Cade Cunningham | 6-7, lead ballhandler | 19 years old, freshman | Oklahoma State

As mentioned above, I love the talent at the top of the 2021 NBA Draft. It’s a considerably deeper draft within the top half of the lottery than the 2020 iteration was. And yet, I still think of it as “The Cade Cunningham Draft” at this stage. He’s not only one of the best prospects I’ve evaluated at the high school level, but also one of my favorite players to watch. Everything about Cunningham looks likely to translate at a high level in the NBA, and he gets better every time I see him.

I wrote about Cunningham two-and-a-half years ago, back when I first saw him at Pangos All-American camp, and was stunned that he was considered just a borderline top-20 prospect in his recruiting class. That’s no longer the case. Over those nearly 30 months since I started writing about him, Cunningham has gone from being a future NBA wing with high feel for the game to a legit lead ballhandler who was the best player at the U19 World Cup as an underage player last year — while sharing a backcourt with 2020 lottery picks Kira Lewis Jr. and Tyrese Haliburton and emerging as the clear top dog.

He’s 6-foot-7 with a 7-foot wingspan, but plays point guard. His handle is very strong technically, and he’s rarely out of rhythm as a ballhandler. You can’t speed him up because of how well he plays through contact at his size. If you give him a ball screen and let him get downhill, he’ll go through guys at the rim and finish using his length to extend.

His best skill, though, is his passing ability. Cunningham can hit every read out of spread or side pick-and-rolls. He hits cross-corner kickouts and baseline drive-and-drifts with ease. He knows how to draw help defenders to hit the easy little drop off to his big. He whips one-handed passes with both his right and left hands. Everything is just so polished. In Oklahoma State’s spread offense under Mike Boynton, Cunningham is going to average seven assists per night with ease as long as his teammates hit shots.

On top of that, Cunningham is a diligent defender who really does an excellent job of reading what offensive players want to do, and making their life tough with his length. Unsurprisingly, he’s also great at using that length to create deflections and get into passing lanes.

The only real issue here is that he’s been a bit of an inconsistent shooter throughout his career. But a source at Oklahoma State told me that he’s come to preseason workouts and been the team’s second-best shooter behind 3-point marksman Ferron Flavors. If Cunningham is really a shooter now, it’s kind of a wrap for opponents because there isn’t really an easy way to stop him. I’d bet on Cunningham averaging something in the ballpark of 16 points, seven rebounds and seven assists at Oklahoma State this season, and being in the mix to win the national player of the year award. He is the big lead ballhandler that everyone is looking for, plus he has a real winner’s mentality that consistently leads to positive team play and good results.
Warriors get the No 1 pick.

Lightyears.
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11-26-2020 , 07:54 AM
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Your point is fair but TBH IVe learned to just not worry about depth with Brad Stevens teams, he excels and being able to get reg season minutes out of bodies nobody thinks much of.

Also thought it was interesting Zach Lowe said with the S/T Hayward situation it fell through because apparently Danny didnt want Myles Turner's contract. But then you give Thompson $19 mil for the next 2 yrs?

Boston's lack of bench scoring was a significant weakness last year. They also have a load management issue going forward in Walker. They need at least one more plus offense player in the rotation unless out of nowhere Teague is about to blossom as a Lou Williams type.

Re Stevens: The bloom is off his rose. Other than Wannamaker & Theis (both of whom arrived as solid Euro league vets ready to play), which lower talent player has he developed in the last several years?

If Boston doesn't add, they best hope that Grant & Rob Williams both are ready to contribute night-to-night.
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11-26-2020 , 08:28 AM
I dont think “bench scoring” is a weakness on the #4 offense in the NBA
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11-26-2020 , 08:49 AM
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I dont think “bench scoring” is a weakness on the #4 offense in the NBA

But it was none the less. Boston would go through extended stretches unable to get decent shots. Couldn't break a zone if their lives depended on it - which it frequently did in the playoffs.

Neither Tatum nor Brown are yet able to significantly improve players around them. Tatum was seeing others better as the year went on and hopefully he will continue to develop as a passer this year. Brown's a worker and should get increased feel as he matures.

Walker is a shoot-first guard. Of the returning players, Smart is the best distributor - but he was frequently on the floor with players unable to consistently make whatever shots they got.

The offense often became stagnant during bench heavy minutes leading to periodic hero ball from whichever starters were still out there.

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11-26-2020 , 11:56 AM
Sounds like the Celtics could really use a wing with high level facilitation ability, decent shooting, and who is also able to find his own shot. Maybe they can use that trade exception!
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11-26-2020 , 12:41 PM
They dont really need anything exept to stay healthy

They have enough bites at the apple to get someone who contributes at guard and on the wing.
Teague/Pritchard/Edwards
Langford/G.Williams/Nesmith
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11-26-2020 , 03:07 PM
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They dont really need anything exept to stay healthy

They have enough bites at the apple to get someone who contributes at guard and on the wing.
Teague/Pritchard/Edwards
Langford/G.Williams/Nesmith

Teague is an NBA player. The rest are flotsam & jetsam until proven otherwise.

Langford was constantly injured during his rookie season and isn't projected to be ready to play at season's start. Edwards couldn't put the ball in the ocean. Gr Williams is a low athleticism undersized big with a negative net rating, 7.9 per, & 17.2% turnover rate along with poor shooting stats.

Nesmith & Pritchard are outside of the lottery draft picks. Ainge hasn't hit on one of those since Rozier - and he ain't anything to write home about.

Staying healthy is a question mark when the diminutive Walker is looking like he may have chronic knee problems. https://nesn.com/2020/11/kemba-walke...52-DSa5odrHt0o

Boston does not have a ring contention roster.

They need depth.

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11-26-2020 , 03:11 PM
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Sounds like the Celtics could really use a wing with high level facilitation ability, decent shooting, and who is also able to find his own shot. Maybe they can use that trade exception!

I wonder if Robyn Hayward's alleged MAGA beliefs had anything to do with the Hayward family's desire to get out of blue Massachusetts.
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11-26-2020 , 03:25 PM
Happy Thanksgiving to the best (and most knowledgeable!) NBA fans in the world!
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11-26-2020 , 03:50 PM
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Turner I think it's the idea of Myles Turner far exceeds the reality of Myles Turner the player and Ainge realized that. He's just not that good. It's not just the rebounding he's a negative on offense people call him a floor spacer but nobody guards him they just let him shooot. He doesnt have an actual impact on that end combined with all his other limitations.
Regarding this, Turner is a solid 3pt shooter, but he's never got the chance under Nate's PnR-heavy scheme. He's shot 38% and 35% the past two years tho, so just letting him go probably isn't ideal. KP mentioned yesterday Nate v2.0 wants to give him the green light this year, so I guess we'll find out.

No argument he can't rebound though. He's decent when it comes to box outs, but well below avg. on the boards.
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11-26-2020 , 03:53 PM
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Regarding this, Turner is a solid 3pt shooter, but he's never got the chance under Nate's PnR-heavy scheme. He's shot 38% and 35% the past two years tho, so just letting him go probably isn't ideal. KP mentioned yesterday Nate v2.0 wants to give him the green light this year, so I guess we'll find out.

No argument he can't rebound though. He's decent when it comes to box outs, but well below avg. on the boards.

Decent at boxing out?

Pacers should trade for Westbrook then!
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11-26-2020 , 03:58 PM
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Decent at boxing out?

Pacers should trade for Westbrook then!
There was a thought for half a second that they could work out a Vic for Westbrook swap. That might've been worse for the Pacers than Myles+Dougie for Gordo
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11-26-2020 , 04:29 PM
Lacking rebounder, good at box outs: The Nene Story
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11-26-2020 , 04:52 PM
Is the G League going to play this year?
I want to see the IGNITE
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11-26-2020 , 05:58 PM



well that's a shame
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11-26-2020 , 07:17 PM
tis a shame indeed.

Bucks don't deserve him.
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11-26-2020 , 07:24 PM
2021-22 Knicks

Mercedes Mitch
Giannis
RJ Barrett
Frank Ntilikina
Cade Cunningham

I present to you the NEW team of the 20's!
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11-26-2020 , 08:51 PM
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2021-22 Knicks

Mercedes Mitch
Giannis
RJ Barrett
Frank Ntilikina
Cade Cunningham

I present to you the NEW team of the 20's!
Mercedes Mitch
Obi Toppin
RJ Barrett
Imma Quickley
Russel Westbrook

["where is my 2021 #8 pick?"]

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11-26-2020 , 08:55 PM
That team can't shoot at all.
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11-26-2020 , 09:12 PM
Shooting is overrated.
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11-26-2020 , 09:15 PM


It's Gonna Happen!

Giannis/Lakers 2021
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