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06-25-2017 , 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by All-inMcLovin
Let's say the Cavs are able to trade KLove for PG13 and Faried.

Then Melo and DWade both get bought out and sign with the Cavs.

How would you rate their chances in a series vs. the Warriors?
Wade and melo would only hurt the cavs
06-25-2017 , 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by kidcolin
Pop the only true untouchable. Kerr after that. And honestly Brad is prob #3... Maybe one of budenholz or thibs.

Actually maybe Carlisle #3.
Bud just got stripped of a lot of his power.

That whole signing Dwight thing came back on him.
06-25-2017 , 10:39 PM
The answer is Spo.
06-25-2017 , 10:39 PM
Oh yeah good call.
06-25-2017 , 10:42 PM
Almost every team in the playoffs this past season had at least 1 player that was better then every one on the Celtics roster. He's basically had a team full of role players since he's been there. How many coaches in the league would have done better with that roster? Pop may be the only one. I'd say Brad is untouchable for at least the next couple seasons.
06-25-2017 , 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by capone0
Probably worse than their odds from this year's series which wasn't good.

Wade/Melo aren't real upgrades unless they're focused and healthy vs the Warriors.
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Originally Posted by Iwreckshop
Wade and melo would only hurt the cavs
Put Wade in the Ginobili type role plus have Melo actually playing defense and I think it improves their chances decently.

But that's asking a lot from Melo I would think. I think Wade could def succeed in a super 6th man role.
06-25-2017 , 11:01 PM
Just want to chime in as another Bulls fans because I don't think Floyd13 is the most accurate rep. When I heard about the trade first it was mentioned without giving up #16, and my reaction was uhhh really? But I was ok with it, until about 5 minutes later when I learned 16 was included and I was significantly less ok. Pretty big lol at Jimmy being the cancer on that team last year when actually he was the only one able to do anything right.

I was hoping Boston would throw a pick and Brown for Jimmy but by draft day kinda seemed like all sides were staying pat. Now I don't really know what the direction is other than down.

That is all
06-25-2017 , 11:01 PM
Melo cannot play defense and Wade is perfect in the Ginobili role, if we're talking about current 40 yr old Ginobili (just kidding, Ginobili was actually fine during the regular season)
06-25-2017 , 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by All-inMcLovin
Put Wade in the Ginobili type role plus have Melo actually playing defense and I think it improves their chances decently.

But that's asking a lot from Melo I would think. I think Wade could def succeed in a super 6th man role.
Yeah either one would be perfect for coming off the bench and running the offense. I just dont think Melos ego would accept such a thing. I could see Wade down to do that on a winning team though.
06-25-2017 , 11:26 PM
Wade has been in steep decline for 3 seasons .534/.517/.508ts on 34.7/31.6/29.6usg, and he's 35. He's done.
06-25-2017 , 11:28 PM
Is Porzingis **** on the defensive boards? Pretty damning that they were the worst defensive rebounding team in the league with a gigantic PF and Melo at the 3. I don't watch much Knicks to know how much blame to given KP tho.


Also any list of the worst GMs in the league that doesn't contain Dell Demps is invalid.
06-25-2017 , 11:32 PM
I really hope Lebron would shun his boys because the role they'd want to play is too large for
What Cleveland needs.

Hot take, Kenneth faried > TT against the Warriors.

Also yeah TuT I meant to say I'd puke if it were Harris. I can't think he'd be on
The table since he's probably worth close to Jamal and they wouldn't include him in the trade for Jimmy Butler.
06-25-2017 , 11:35 PM
Am I wrong about this? Or was Brogdon not always the odds-on favorite to win ROY?
06-25-2017 , 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Seadood228
I really hope Lebron would shun his boys because the role they'd want to play is too large for
What Cleveland needs.

Hot take, Kenneth faried > TT against the Warriors.

Also yeah TuT I meant to say I'd puke if it were Harris. I can't think he'd be on
The table since he's probably worth close to Jamal and they wouldn't include him in the trade for Jimmy Butler.
I really don't think Harris would be involved in the trade.

Sure the Pacers can have multiple teams bid, but they still have no real leverage and will still get relatively spare change for PG13.
06-25-2017 , 11:55 PM
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Originally Posted by jh12547
Olshey at 6? LOL He should be at the bottom after that ET signing. Ainge is easily in the top 6 just from that Nets trade
Olshey is obviously terrible and Ainge is obviously great.

Ainge took a listless team of losers and turned them into NBA champs in 1 offseason. They got a ring and competed for 6 years, then he turned a team of olds into a ton of draft picks. He then took a 25 win team whose leading scorer was Jeff Green and put them in the playoffs the very next year and had them as a place a max free agent would choose the year after that.
06-26-2017 , 12:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Iwreckshop
Wade and melo would only hurt the cavs
Melo is an upgrade on RJefferson and Channing Frye. Wade is an upgrade on Deron Williams. Only way they hurt they Cavs is if Wade plays over JR or Love gets traded for Melo.
06-26-2017 , 12:55 AM
are you guys sniffing glue? Wade and Melo aren't upgrades over the corpses they were playing vs GS? Wtf?

Wade only giving 15m off the bench is going to be a beast.
06-26-2017 , 01:00 AM
you realize that their stats and productivity are going to improve when they are the 4th and 5th options versus being the 1st/2nd option... yeah?
06-26-2017 , 01:13 AM
you realize theyre not going to guard anyone no matter how rested they are
06-26-2017 , 01:14 AM
let's say Wade fills Shumpert's spot, he'd be a downgrade to current Shumpert, and a huge downgrade to "potential" Shumpert, which was what the Cavs got in 2016 and the sort of player they need to even have a chance against the Warriors.
Also Wade and Melo are not going to get vet minimum like RJefferson (who actually was pretty ok defensively against the warriors)
06-26-2017 , 02:42 AM
Pop, Spo, Brad, Quin and Carlisle are the 5 untouchables

Kerr would be in if he hadn't those back issues.
06-26-2017 , 02:50 AM
Hoiberg obviously untouchable, no other way rivers explain him still having a job.
06-26-2017 , 03:22 AM
Don't know why Cavs want to trade Love while Kyrie is clearly the worst fit next to Lebron and PG, and he has a higher trade value

Trade Kyrie for PG. Then call the rockets who tries to trade Pat Bev. Now you have 15% chance of beating the warriors
06-26-2017 , 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Fallen Hero
yeah, Staps doesn't need to be Dirk to be perfectly fine as the best player on your team, he's already a very good defender at 21
Where is the evidence that Staps is an elite shooter right now? Among NBA players who attempted 100 or more threes last year, Staps was just outside the top 100 in 3 pt %. And he was 77th in adjusted FG% among players who averaged 10+ points per game. Those are Andre Iguadola level shooting percentages, not elite shooting percentages. If you watch Knicks games, it's easy to see that KP does not distort defenses with his shooting in the way that great shooters do.

I think that he still has some room to improve, but his peak will be relatively early in his career and relatively short.
06-26-2017 , 11:18 AM
considering how badly the Cavs got torched the 5 minutes a game BRON was resting during the finals, Melo as a 6th man seems perfect.

Plus he can eat up some of BRON's minutes during the regular season ..... I know it's not going to happen but I think it'd be a good fit

      
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