NBA Offseason Thread 2017 - Page 149 - Sporting Events and Fantasy Sports

Manning got a nice dig in on KD at the ESPY's. KD didn't look thrilled but could've just been playing it up.

https://twitter.com/NBA_Skits/status/885292737519550465

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07-12-2017 , 09:10 PM

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Katie's got to be playing it up there, no one is that big of a *****.

07-12-2017 , 09:10 PM

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Covering his mouth probably trying to hold back a laugh. If he really was mad tho, "probably couldn't start whad'ya think Russ?" is savage.

07-12-2017 , 09:11 PM

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Klay is not actually good at much besides shooting. He wouldn't get nearly the looks he gets now on any other team. He's massively overrated.

McCollum and Middleton could easily be better than him in a vacuum. They'd both shoot insanely in his spot on that lineup.

Klay is also one of the most overrated defenders of all time.

07-12-2017 , 09:14 PM

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Klay's numbers also fall off a ton in the playoffs.

07-12-2017 , 09:16 PM

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And it's not just that he's facing better competition. Even his FT% is decently down in the playoffs. Guy is just a total fraud who hit the jackpot in terms of fit.

07-12-2017 , 09:21 PM

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So many of the top PGs who are basically combos would definitely change the rankings severely; in the traditional sense Harden/RWB/Curry are all really SGs who pass well. Same thing with Kyrie. Jimmy Butler has also played SG in the past.

07-12-2017 , 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SirOsis

Katie's got to be playing it up there, no one is that big of a *****.

You'd be surprised.

07-12-2017 , 09:22 PM

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http://www.basketball-reference.com/...-warriors.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...-warriors.html

Yea just completely falls apart without superstars or in playoffs

Lol tut as usual

07-12-2017 , 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by eastern motors

Drum free throw shooting killed his value. SVG can't even play his sole max player in crunch time. Pretty sure he was listed as a top 20 asset in a few places two years ago. Should have done some deal for STAPS while Phil was trying to destroy the knicks.

Pistons might as well dump SVG. He'll probably retire before the RJax contract is up.

Problem is SVG the GM isnt going to fire SVG the coach. Basically need the donk owner to do it. Which is going to take awhile.

edit-Should of said "president of basketball operation" not GM.

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Originally Posted by loldolphins

Admittedly haven't seen very much of kcp... Was looking at his stats and just didn't see much of anything that great? Is he that good of a defender?

Hes better then the stats show if you just look at them and havent watched him play ever. Hes a good defender. Hes also young so theirs hope he can improve. He can be annoying to have on your team just like Marcus Morris was because hes really streaky on offense.

If he was your 4th best player on a quality team it would be fine. Paying him big money is fail hard though.

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07-12-2017 , 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by capone0

If you want to go traditional position definitions how does RWB check shooting guard boxes?

But generally "sgs who pass well" is not a good description of any of these players. Most accurate for curry of the group

07-12-2017 , 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by vinivici9586

Waiters is below league avg SG and not even ranking the rooks.

1. Harden
2. Klay
3. Hayward (new position)
4. CJ McCol
5. Beal
6. Middleton
7. Danny Green
8. Batum
9. Eric Gordon
10. Derozan (prob too high)
11. Gary Harris
12. JJ Redick
13. Yolodipo
14. KCP
15. Seth Curry
16. Dion Waiters

Hating on Demar seems like a life leak.

You've got a sure fire HOF'r (barring injury) in his prime- just enjoy watching him ball.

07-12-2017 , 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by tarheeljks

If you want to go traditional position definitions how does RWB check shooting guard boxes?

Indifference about getting teammates involved.

Being a chucker is antithetical to being a traditional point guard.

07-12-2017 , 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by tarheeljks

RWB is typically a tweener although you're right he's become the new era PG.

Harden has played SG his whole career before this year and the only real change is his ball dominance (and his really high TOV rate).

Curry is a tweener as well but is more of a PG than a SG but still a shoot first guy.

As mentioned earlier there aren't many defined positions anymore. I feel as though the SG position seems weak because many of the strongest potential SGs have either been defined as PGs or SFs.

07-12-2017 , 09:45 PM

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Right once you go down that rabbit hole the only true real pg's anymore are guys like Rubio who can't shoot.

The guys who used to be the traditional point that could score efficiently but were reluctant (Nash, Stockton, etc) are dodos, those guys now fire away.

07-12-2017 , 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by bigt2k4

Hating on Demar seems like a life leak.

You've got a sure fire HOF'r (barring injury) in his prime- just enjoy watching him ball.

I don't think he's a sure fire HOF'er. If he makes it, it's as a Mitch Richmond level HOF'er.

07-12-2017 , 09:47 PM

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I find CP3 to be the prototypical "PG" in the truest sense (his stats are very similar to Nash/Stockton); I don't watch enough of him but he likely decreases his shot load to enhance his teammate's performance.

07-12-2017 , 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Banzai-

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...-warriors.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...-warriors.html

Yea just completely falls apart without superstars or in playoffs

Lol tut as usual

See this is what I was complaining about earlier itt. These posts are just so ******ed and worthless. We can actually look at his entire career sample of regular season vs. playoffs. I never said he completely falls apart. And your cherry picking of two series that supports your argument is stupid.

I don't know when it became cool to make these kinds of idiotic posts but it's annoying.

What is it about these two series that means more than his entire career sample?

These little "gotcha" posts where people think they're proving a point with small sample micro data is cancer.

07-12-2017 , 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by capone0

Ya, I somehow blanked on CP3. I knew there was a true pg non-white guy like that. He's the embodiment of a pg.

07-12-2017 , 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by bigt2k4

Hating on Demar seems like a life leak.

You've got a sure fire HOF'r (barring injury) in his prime- just enjoy watching him ball.

derozan was the 23rd SG based on RPM and (unlike some other guys that advanced stats dont like e.g kyrie) he drops off a ton in the playoffs (top 5 WOAT shooting%)

10 is a fair rating. hes good at something that sucks. everyone ahead of him is good at something thats good and almost all of them were on better teams. i gave him a healthy bump based on traditional box score stats and by that i mean points

07-12-2017 , 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by bigt2k4

Hating on Demar seems like a life leak.

You've got a sure fire HOF'r (barring injury) in his prime- just enjoy watching him ball.

Derozan is basically drawing dead to make the Hall of Fame.

Even in the most optimistic scenario "sure fire" is lol.

07-12-2017 , 09:53 PM

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Those series show Klay as a #1 fwiw. That's when Curry was hurt and Klay + Dray looked like the best duo in the PO's.

07-12-2017 , 09:54 PM

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DeRozan is hard to rank. Better than his haters think. Worse than casuals and his box score stats indicate. Flawed player that it's tough to build a great team with.

07-12-2017 , 09:54 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DodgerIrish

Indifference about getting teammates involved.

Being a chucker is antithetical to being a traditional point guard.

That's fair, but a traditional shooting guard is also not a ball handler

Edit: rockets were an ideal team to be playing sans curry. They had no hope of defending the dubs' actions

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