Might as well toss a DUI in there as well. Pretty sure NE athletes and sports personalities' transgressions won't receive much publicity as long as this Hernandez thing continues.

just using your 25, i'd go:

1. Kyrie
2. Brow
3. Drummond
4. Kiwi
5. Jimmy Butler
6. Noel
7. Lillard
8. Jonas
9. Kanter
10. Vucevic
11. Faried
12. MKG
13. Rubio
14. Oladipo
15. Burke
16. Parsons
17. Len
18. Beal
19. TT
20. Barnes
21. Klay
22. Porter
23. Bennett
24. Tobias
25. Zeller

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I don't feel like 20 of those guys are gonna be better than klay

These unknown draft picks are getting too much credit prior to their first game

Klay sucks though. He might improve, but he's not that good right now.

can anybody find current betting odds on where dwight will land?

think you're too high on butler assani, i know he had a good playoffs but i don't see the evidence for his offensive prowess being enough to trump the knocks on him, seems insane to have him seemingly rated so far ahead of a guy like barnes whos kind of a similar guy in mould and is younger, let alone mkg/oladipo types (not saying they;re better, just that putting jimmy 5th and then a dude like barnes 20th seems like too much of a gap for guys who can probably approximate each other's value a solid % of the time)

obviously he has to get better to justify that rating, where do you see his offensive stats in say 2yrs (usg, ts, 3%, ast%, tov% type stuff). only thing he seems to be real legit at is drawing fouls, and he seems like too limited of a ballhandler to maintain the high ftr with a more prominent role

not seeing it

Beef did you see the huge debate Assani had with TZ about Butler in the Season thread? B/c that prob summarises it all pretty well

He's pretty good

Grizz promoting assistant coach Joerger to head coach

^^ if he knows whats good for him he will go to the spurs, gr8 fit for him + will be ready to win out the gate

spurs got 22mill in cap space so should be able to sign him, + he'll be somewhat under the radar majority of the year like he wants no?

I'd bet my role against this if I could

WTF are the Clips really going after Afflalo? I would think he's like a negative asset at this point.

Also I think the Wiz should just can Whitman and make a run at Karl. It's not an ideal spot for a guy who wants to coach about 3-4 more years, but I think that team suits what he's looking to do pretty well, and I don't doubt that GK would have them in the 'offs next year and possibly further..

looked up assani's arguments on butler, thoughts on the main pts:
-mins thing is def legit. but i think many coaches could play their guys huge mins and make them more valuable. tough one to tease out the value of imo given that resting guys is probably an intelligent decision long term
-jimmy might well be an ultraelite defender and clearly superior to his comparables, certainly has the physical profile. not gonna argue it
-less convinced by the offensive arguments. most importantly his 3pt shooting outlook is a bit shaky. he's been shooting reasonably well from the line for his entire ncaa and nba career, yet never emerged as a decent volume or % 3pt guy (only % this yr). why? justifiable doubt on that imo for a guy who'll be 24 by opening day. his value really swings wildly on his viability as a 3pt threat imo

various aspect of his offensive game do seem very nice though, shot selection/tovs/finishing especially. the fact that he gets all the way to the rim more often than not, doesn't turn it over, and finishes really well or gets fouled... that's definitely a major plus. if he continues to hit 3s at a good rate and make incremental improvements to his game assani's assessment is correct imo

i'm kinda convinced, but still not as high as assani

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if there is ONE THING you can lock up, it's george karl making it to the playoffs only to lose in the 1st round.

Why are all of Bobby Knight's golden boys such coaching frauds? (Alford's a fraud too, right? Actually, I guess he's probably not, but that's the only one.)

they'll prob have around 17 mil in cap space, and do you really think the spurs want anything to do with him?

seriously doubt pop and the front office wants him around. spurs have a history of not overpaying for players too

The bottom line is that you've been proven historically wrong with your 3-year whining about how important it is for them to get someone who is 7 FEET TALL. Joel Anthony is not close to small for a PF. He's smallish for a center but has good wingspan. Birdman is fine too.

What you don't seem to be able to comprehend is that there is virtually no difference to the Heat's title expectancy regardless of what washed up scrub they throw out there. If they bring in someone good who is tall, that's one thing, but Haslem, Brand, Anthony, Birdman, Dalembert, etc all are horrible players who will have no impact whatsoever.

#DalembertWatch

Bledsoe >>>>>>>>>> AA...I don't understand that one at all

Partially agree with this.

What I agree with: The bold.

What I disagree with: The underline. Birdman is an actual good player. So is Brand. Maybe Dalembert. To say they are horrible is lol.

Elton Brand is 34 and coming off a really bad year. Birdman is 35 and has averaged 600 minutes per season the last three years. Dalembert is 32 and fell completely out of the Milwaukee rotation last year while they were actively trying to win and make the playoffs (they traded Tobias for one year of J.J. Redick ffs).

Yes, maybe none of these guys might not be "horrible" on a per-minute basis (Brand might be at this point). But the overall point remains, that these players are pretty much meaningless at this point and THAKID's constant whining about them is silly.

They're meaningless in that they don't impact the Heat's chance for a 3peat (that all depends on Wade's health and LBJ's continued dominance). And THAKID's whining is entertainment, at this point.

But ya those 3 per minute are fine. If they're your 3rd big you're in fine shape, imo

And they both had bad games too. The point is that their overall value is no different from all the other comparable bigs (and there are a lot of them).

Curious if oden returns and signs for min with heat.. If healthy for 20 mpg that could just be unfair

alford is one of the biggest frauds of all. his teams always choke on fat dicks in the tourney, pretty sure he's been upset in the 3/14 matchup three times now.