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09-25-2014 , 01:15 PM

#14526

Noze

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Eric Gordon hasn't had that potential for about 4 years now.

09-25-2014 , 01:17 PM

#14527

Das Boot

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Crazy that Bledsoe's less than a year younger than Gordon. (Any comparisons of their current value/potential are also crazy.)

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09-25-2014 , 01:57 PM

#14528

nit3.runn3r

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I agree Gordon is done. Bledsoe might be in a few years too. I'd love to have him on my team, wish the bucks did make an offer, but the price is for an all star who gives you 70+ games every year, not 20. Just saying he reminds me of Gordon back then. Suns lol.

Penny hardaway?

09-25-2014 , 02:28 PM

#14529

Schwallie

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My application is in for the Nets Director of Analytics. No need to apply guys.

What do you think it pays? I would do it if it was in the 170k range

09-25-2014 , 03:43 PM

#14530

DannyOcean_

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is that something that can be applied for? I don't know what level we are on here.

09-25-2014 , 03:45 PM

#14531

Schwallie

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Originally Posted by DannyOcean_

is that something that can be applied for? I don't know what level we are on here.

Yea just Google it.

They look like they basically want to hire the same crap as before, but if not I'll give it a shot. I'd say my chances are somewhere near 100,000,000 to 1.

09-25-2014 , 04:41 PM

#14532

BobboFitos

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Originally Posted by Schwallie

My application is in for the Nets Director of Analytics. No need to apply guys.

What do you think it pays? I would do it if it was in the 170k range

very much doubt it pays that well. my guess is about half.

09-25-2014 , 04:49 PM

#14533

Onlydo2days

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I know someone who worked for the Cubs FO and they pay like 30 analytics guys very little.

Said Cubs FO >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Marlins FO when it comes to analytics fwiw.

09-25-2014 , 05:12 PM

#14534

Schwallie

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Originally Posted by BobboFitos

very much doubt it pays that well. my guess is about half.

Director of Analytics != Random Stats guy, no?

Why would they pay such **** when they have such a big budget? How in the world are you going to attract talent.

Anyone here willing to take 80k to do it? Assuming you can't gamble anymore on the side?

09-25-2014 , 05:19 PM

#14535

Nicholasp27

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I guess Bledsoe signing means Suns are no longer a lock for playoffs...shoulda let him walk to ensure playoffs

09-25-2014 , 05:24 PM

#14536

Das Boot

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Lawrence Frank reached a buyout agreement with with the Nets and joined the Clippers staff.

09-25-2014 , 05:27 PM

#14537

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They can attract talent because people want to work in sports. There are a dozen or so male actuaries in my office and when we've discussed working in sports, the consensus that came out of it was we'd take 10-20k less a year to be doing sports math instead of insurance.

09-25-2014 , 05:33 PM

#14538

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Denver head of analytics makes <100k and went to Harvard. Too much supply not enough demand schwalls. 170k seems way out of touch imo.

09-25-2014 , 05:33 PM

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Though it could be similar to the 538 thing where they just aren't paying enough. I mean look at what passed for analytics on the Kings crowd source draft stuff. You end up with bad stats departments on teams for the same reason you end up with articles about Ricky Rubio and the value of steals, the people who can do the data work that make models well and understand how context influences what they need to do are already getting paid more somewhere else.

09-25-2014 , 05:36 PM

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Onlydo2days

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I know all the Cubs guys are ivy league quants making like 40k a year. Tons of highly educated males between the ages of 25-35 are willing to work for very little to get into working in sports.

09-25-2014 , 05:42 PM

#14541

Schwallie

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Originally Posted by Seadood228

Denver head of analytics makes <100k and went to Harvard. Too much supply not enough demand schwalls. 170k seems way out of touch imo.

Alright well that's insane to me, but good for the guys willing to work in NYC for 80k to pursue their dream.

09-25-2014 , 05:44 PM

#14542

JAAASH

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Originally Posted by Schwallie

Alright well that's insane to me, but good for the guys willing to work in NYC for 80k to pursue their dream.

Lol at making it seem like 80k is minimum wage. My friend make less than 70k working for that franchise and lives fine.

09-25-2014 , 05:51 PM

#14543

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Lol at making it seem like 80k is minimum wage. My friend make less than 70k working for that franchise and lives fine.

He is just saying he wasn't aware the paycuts people take to work in sports. Your friend could probably make more doing something else but chooses to make that tradeoff to work for an NBA team.

09-25-2014 , 05:53 PM

#14544

Schwallie

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Originally Posted by JAAASH

Lol at making it seem like 80k is minimum wage. My friend make less than 70k working for that franchise and lives fine.

It's NYC. Making 80k sucks in NYC. "Lives fine" means what? I mean he definitely can't eat out on the weekends and/or go out drinking with friends along with living in a neighborhood that isn't terrible with over 700 sqft?

Being qualified to lead analytics on an NBA team and living in a studio in a crappy neighborhood would be absurd to me, because you can make so much more doing anything else. Denver is totally different, btw. Him making 80k I can see plenty of people taking.

Waiters/waitresses make more than 80k in NYC. Uber drivers make way more than 80k.

09-25-2014 , 05:54 PM

#14545

Nicholasp27

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You can always get people for cheaper, but if you want the best you gotta pay for it in most cases...given how high leverage this position could be, they should be going after the best and paying them competitively to get them there and happy

200k is nothing compared to the value it provides to the organization

09-25-2014 , 05:55 PM

#14546

Schwallie

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Originally Posted by Nicholasp27

Exactly. It's nothing to pay them a good wage. The teams willing to pay good quants and obviously a good director will prove this long-term, as the teams like the Nets continue being the Nets.

09-25-2014 , 06:02 PM

#14547

Seadood228

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I got uber driving and waiting tables as a much more crappy job with very little benefits. Plus you have to like go to work as opposed to doing whatever the hell you want whenever you want. It's about much more than money. I would not take a 20% pay increase if it meant I could no longer make up my schedule and work from anywhere.

09-25-2014 , 06:04 PM

#14548

JAAASH

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Originally Posted by Schwallie

Meh, agree to disagree I guess.

09-25-2014 , 06:08 PM

#14549

Seadood228

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Originally Posted by Schwallie

Exactly. It's nothing to pay them a good wage. The teams willing to pay good quants and obviously a good director will prove this long-term, as the teams like the Nets continue being the Nets.

But who's to say the stats guy making 80k isn't enough for what the team wants to do? It's not rocket science out there.

09-25-2014 , 06:13 PM

#14550

Schwallie

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Originally Posted by Seadood228

I'm not thinking the director of analytics gets the benefits that you are talking about though? Am I missing something that is great about this job beyond the fact that it's in sports and we are passionate about the area? It's a regular job in terms of day to day, no?

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