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07-19-2014 , 03:28 AM

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I'm saying LeBron/Love/X provides superior spacing/offense than LeBron/Bosh/Birdman, so it's not entirely accurate to just point to Lebron's positional splits and say that he's better as a 4. Similarly Love/Pek is likely superior than X/Love on the Wolves because most of their roster sucks, so it's risky to think he's better at the 4 just because of those numbers.

I think there are enough other factors/pieces of evidence that suggest LeBron is better as a 4, I'm just saying it's dangerous to base much on those numbers when the relative strength of lineups are quite different when LeBron is at the 3 versus the 4, etc.

07-19-2014 , 03:29 AM

#8777

BobboFitos

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http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11...2014-15-season

lol bynum

07-19-2014 , 03:33 AM

#8778

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haralabob is a tz god. makes millions betting on NBA games and created his own evaluations of players etc. his info is good and if you arent following him on twitter id recommend it

Bob is by far my favorite Twitter follow, and by and large he is pretty much the NBA authority. Having said all that, he was clearly wrong about Love 3 years ago, was wrong 2 years ago, and was wrong last year. Love is the best big man in the game.

07-19-2014 , 03:35 AM

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I don't disagree with any of this, but it was just a tidbit to my original argument with was that Bosh>Love for Lebron, and that what Love provides isn't really what Cleveland needs at this point.

07-19-2014 , 03:36 AM

#8780

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Haralabob once said KD>Lebron 2 years ago

07-19-2014 , 03:37 AM

#8781

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Love is a clear tier above Bosh so fit be damned. I'd prefer Love over Bosh with any other player simply because he's that much better.

It's like the people saying Kyrie "fits" LBJ better than Wade. Yeah, sure, I guess??? But Wade is just the better player. Give me Wade.

07-19-2014 , 03:37 AM

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Haralabob once said KD>Lebron 2 years ago

Actually, he said he'd rather date Katie.

07-19-2014 , 03:39 AM

#8783

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Man I disagree with this so much Bobbo. How is he a clear tier above Bosh? THere are a ton of moving parts, and we really can't compare the two because of team construction. Bosh put up similar numbers as the #1 guy in Toronto and beasts whenever Bron/Wade aren't playing. There are only so many things you can do to produce stats in the NBA, and when you have a team like Miami the last four years your numbers are going to dip just as Bosh's did.

07-19-2014 , 03:40 AM

#8784

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A lot of the Bron at the 4 being better stuff is because of team construction, those lineups had Battier/Allen/Miller instead of Birdman/Haslem so they stretched the floor. Obviously Love stretches the floor himself, I don't know if it specifically matters that the good shooter be smaller than Lebron(Battier, for example, generally guarded the opposing PF).

07-19-2014 , 03:43 AM

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07-19-2014 , 03:51 AM

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Oh and there's this too:

Love in the clutch: 36%FG / 32% 3PT / 65% FT
Bosh in the clutch: 53%FG / 52% 3PT / 91% FT

Love may be the better Batman, but Bosh is a much better Robin imo.

07-19-2014 , 03:52 AM

#8787

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GRIFF IN FORCE!

07-19-2014 , 03:55 AM

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I guess I wasn't clear in my argument. It's basically that I don't think they need a lot of what Love brings to the table. A Bron/Love/AV lineup is optimal, but not much more optimal than a shooter/Bron/AV one is. It'd obviously be nice, but at the expense of 2-3 rotational players and picks it's no bueno imo.

07-19-2014 , 03:59 AM

#8789

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What's amazing to me looking at Bosh's positional numbers on 82Games is the fact that he can't play PF anymore

07-19-2014 , 04:02 AM

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Holy **** BOSH

2012-13 Clutch Stats:

FG% .771 / 3PT .500 / FT .90

2011-12

FG% .577 / 3PT .500 / FT .78

2010-11

FG% .467 / 3PT .600 / FT .80

Love's WIL vs. Elite Robin... hmmm.

07-19-2014 , 04:02 AM

#8791

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does 82 games even tell us how they decide what position someone is playing while on the floor yet? that info useless until they do.

btw

dood, loves d will have lebron yelling at him like hes mario chalmers. playoffs will roll around and the first time love glides out of an attackers way to box a guy out, when he could have attempted to challenge a shot/foul the guy, lebron is going to rip his mouthpiece out and start screaming. lolove will turn red and continue to do the same damn thing he always does. matador defense as the great walt frazier likes to say.

07-19-2014 , 04:03 AM

#8792

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Rebounds per 36:

Bosh - What's a rebound?
Love - Give me ALL the rebounds.

07-19-2014 , 04:04 AM

#8793

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Originally Posted by Seadood228

Oh and there's this too:

Love in the clutch: 36%FG / 32% 3PT / 65% FT
Bosh in the clutch: 53%FG / 52% 3PT / 91% FT

Love may be the better Batman, but Bosh is a much better Robin imo.

You picked the wrong side of the ball to highlight for clutch numbers as the Wolves with Love on court were a better offensive team in the clutch than Miami with Bosh on court.

07-19-2014 , 04:04 AM

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What's amazing to me looking at Bosh's positional numbers on 82Games is the fact that he can't play PF anymore

come again? Small sample but Bosh's lineups outscored his opponents by similar amounts at PF vs. C. (8.0 vs. 8.8).

07-19-2014 , 04:05 AM

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does 82 games even tell us how they decide what position someone is playing while on the floor yet? that info useless until they do.

they order by height I believe

07-19-2014 , 04:05 AM

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come again? Small sample but Bosh's lineups outscored his opponents by similar amounts at PF vs. C. (8.0 vs. 8.8).

Bosh got outplayed by his opponent when he was at PF.

07-19-2014 , 04:08 AM

#8797

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they order by height I believe

heh, i jokingly said they did that in tz before. think it was to fly or dodger. who has not been around lately.

but ya heights kinda dumb.

07-19-2014 , 04:09 AM

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You picked the wrong side of the ball to highlight for clutch numbers as the Wolves with Love on court were a better offensive team in the clutch than Miami with Bosh on court.

Where are you getting your numbers?

NBA.COM has it Miami 110.8 vs. MIN 100.7.... per 100 possessions of course.

07-19-2014 , 04:12 AM

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Bosh got outplayed by his opponent when he was at PF.

Counterpart data is pretty bad and PER is very flawed. Add those two to a team who switches on D constantly and you can see where this is headed.

07-19-2014 , 04:15 AM

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heh, i jokingly said they did that in tz before. think it was to fly or dodger. who has not been around lately.

but ya heights kinda dumb.

It's not really dumb considering most lineups' PG-SG-SF-PF-C progression goes up with height. Even when it's wrong it'll generally only be off by one position. It just sounds dumb imo.

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