lol me 2, now im scrambling to find someone else

Jon Barry is a huge reach, worse pick than Kurt Thomas and Kendrick Perkins.

No Kareem at all, serious? He has become criminally underrated--compare his stats with Drob and Hakeems.

Kareem - (MVP, 1st team all D (DPOY didn't exist))

24.8 PTS / .639 TS / 25.8 PER / 118 Ortg / 100 Drtg / 10.8 Rbs / 4.5 AST / 1 Stl / 3.4 Blks / 3.6 TOs /

Drob (MVP, 1st team all D)

27.6 PTS / .602 TS / 29.1 PER / 120 ORtg / 99 Drtg / 10.8 Rbs / 2.9 AST / 1.7 Stl / 3.2 Blks / 2.9 TO's

Hakeem ( 1st team all D, DPOY)

26.1 PTS / .577 TS / 27.3 PER / 114 Ortg / 96 Drtg / 13 Rbs / 3.5 AST / 1.8 Stl / 4.3 Blk / 3.2 TO's

I think it's pretty much a wash. Drob and Hakeem have better bulk stats, but Kareem was the better passer and most efficient. This plus Kareem being the only player to have won the ship that year, and overall has performed better in the playoffs, had me thinking Kareem is at least as good as those.

Moses Malone 1981-1982 (the year he was taken this draft)
PER: 26.8
TS%: .576
USG: 29.9
TRB%: 19.3
DRtg: 106 (team average 108)
Win Shares: 14.9

Dwight Howard 2008-2009
PER: 25.4
TS%: .600
USG: 26.1
TRB%: 21.8
DRtg: 95 (team average 102)
Win Shares: 13.9

Basically, Moses was a better bulk scorer while Dwight was a slightly better rebounder and a much better defender. I think if you're comparing them within their eras, it's probably exactly a push, but any era adjustment at all is enough to make Howard the better player. I just think his better defense is more than enough to make up for Moses' offense.

Isn't this the 4th time people have said this now though(Franchise getting Magic, me getting Yao, Epi getting KJ, Charder getting Kobe)?

I mean didn't someone go so far as to say that they weren't even going to bother ranking my team because my team had such an unfair advantage by getting Yao?


Just like in the real NBA(Pau Gasol trade for example), bad trades happen. Rather than complain, I'd advise people to try to win some trades themselves and improve their own teams.

YRLY.

i didn't give anyone the W. and if you think i disrespected the time mjw put into this, you're a ****ing idiot.

Ya guys calm down here, it was a bad trade for wiper, honestly it was the first offer i sent, didn't expect it to get accepted, but his team is deep and has a lot of versatility, he new he wasn't going to be a top 5 team so he decided to shake it up a little bit..

lol what the hell did Kurt Thomas do to get in that sentence?

EXACTLY.

matterafact, the first words in his PM were, 'let's have some fun'..

why not?

god-damn some people take life too seriously.

eh chard's was way more lopsided though

If you disagree then feel free to pitch in if you believe your team is better than his, etc.

5 picks in the top 90 is a pretty big advantage, especially when one of them is Top 5

Kurt Thomas was not a reach, and neither was Barry. His numbers are extremely good for a bench player, despite playing on some awful teams. The only thing he lacks is minutes, just like BMFB, and bench guys aren't going to play significant minutes on these teams.

My trade was easily the fairest of those 4 trades btw.

The other three were basically gifts.

Not everyone underrates them. You have two of the top 7 players in this draft according to that fancy, smancy SPM metric. There are some of us older than 25 in this draft that view Magic and Larry as legitimate top 5-8 material.


Larry Bird's rookie season effect
1) 1978 Celtics go 32-50
2) Larry Bird gets drafted
3) 1979 Celtics go 61-21

Larry Bird's injury effect
4) 1988 Celtics go 57-25
5) Larry Bird suffers injury and misses most of the season
6) 1989 Celtics go 42-40
7) Hobbled, slow, broken Larry Bird comes back
8) 1990 Celtics go 52-30

You have two awesome players that improve everyone's game on the floor. You have the best rebounding from the SF and PG positions, the best passer from the SF position, and two guys who score very efficiently in many different ways. Even though I think you should've went a different direction than Eaton, your team is still probably #1.

but yet, I'M the one who is disrespecting the draft.

sheesh.

i didn't give him 5 picks in the top 90.

i gave him a top 5 player for 3 players.

maybe i didn't do my due dilligence, but you're starting to annoy me.

wiper you should relax

it wasn't a personal attack, i just thought it was stupid and makes me care less about the draft. im probably being way too competitive and thats fine, im aware of that

but its not like im mad at you, i just think you suck at sports drafts, which is fine

your life is apparently filled with booze blow and whores and all other kinds of excitement so it's probably a small loss to suck at a draft

The fact that the era adjustments are making Kareem's PPG numbers look decent are making it difficult for you to realize what a weak bulk scorer he was at that point of his career. For comparison's sake, his USG numbers were almost exactly the same as Dwight Howard this year who people talk about as if he has no offensive game whatsoever. He also turned it over more than D12 whose number one criticism is that he's a constant turnover machine. He did shoot a little better, but if you think of a Dwight Howard who's a little better on offense but plays defense and rebounds worse, that's 80s Kareem. I did have him at the top of the 4th tier though, had I made one; the only player not on my list he's behind is T-Mac.

Also, don't let this turn into a criticism of Kareem's career as a whole. If we were allowed to look at pre-1980 stuff in this draft and I was looking at Kareem from the early 70s, he'd clearly be a Tier 2 player.

There goes our pick

you think CP3 > Magic you're nuts. Magic is a 6'8" PG that can really play any position on the floor and creates massive matchup problems. Also, IrishHand already posted earlier how unreliable the stats you're basing CP3s superiority off of are, and how New Orleans is about the worst team in the league in terms of home-court bias in their stats towards CP3. So when the stats are as close as they are and then you take into account Magic's versatility and the matchup problems he creates its pretty clear that Magic > CP3, but keep thinking ZOMG CP3s PER IS HIGHER!!!

And gigantic wtf at you having D12 as high as you do, he's barely a top 10 C in this thing.

And your Dirk > Bird arguments are pretty terrible.

So basically, you have no clue what you're talking about.

probably the worst pick of the draft imo

Yah, Granger going after Boozer was unexpected

bolded made me laugh

And then epi tried to pick Boozer again despite commenting on the first guy that did. That was fun.

I think my team is as good as his. I'll wait until I finish my team before arguing that though.