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07-18-2009 , 09:19 PM

#276

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so basically i havent read any of this thread. can someone make a concise post of what the rules are for this?

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07-18-2009 , 09:19 PM

#277

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btw for all the nits and people who like to make things 100x too difficult, it takes about 60 seconds to pick the correct year for your player in almost all cases

it certainly doesn't warrant days and weeks worth of meditation

it's really easy

1. go to basketball-reference.com
2. enter your player's name
3. pick the year with the big #s

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07-18-2009 , 09:22 PM

#278

WaterWalker

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Originally Posted by C-Viggity

makes abs. zero sense

what's the point of having the draft then?
we've already done a modern era nba draft, how would this be any different if there's no focus on it being from one season?

i agree wit this ...but as Assani mentuoned, its going to end up being people comparing exact stats as opposed to the player and what he brought to the table. (its going to turn from using the stats as a reference into using stats as the start and end of an argument...which is exactly NOT the point of these hypothetical leagues).

Tough to decide which one makes more sense....but if you believe in *mankind, then I say we go with declaring the season once we draft our player.

*mankind will prevail and not fall into th trap of using stats as the be all end all when tryin to be the master debator itt imo.

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07-18-2009 , 09:23 PM

#279

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WTF????

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07-18-2009 , 09:24 PM

#280

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Originally Posted by Caldarooni

god you guys are so ******ed. pick a player and a season. then we can debate the pick/season. people won't want to discuss the best season for a player until the season has been picked for obvious reasons. And the discussion will be the best right after a player has been picked, not 3 days later when a bunch of other picks have been made.

I swear to god I should be the common sense czar for all these drafts.

this ffs.

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07-18-2009 , 09:24 PM

#281

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The difference is career vs. peak. What don't people understand about that? We can't name undrafted people, but there are clearly people who go in much different positions (both higher and lower) because of this rule.

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07-18-2009 , 09:25 PM

#282

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Originally Posted by WaterWalker

i agree wit this ...but as Assani mentuoned, its going to end up being people comparing exact stats as opposed to the player and what he brought to the table. (its going to turn from using the stats as a reference into using stats as the start and end of an argument).

Tough to decide which one makes more sense....but if you beliebe in *mankind, then I say we go with declaring the season we are taking the player once we draft him.

*mankind will prevail and not fall into th trap of using stats as the be all end all when tryin to be the master debator itt imo.

ITS
THE
WHOLE
POINT
OF
THE
DRAFT

either make it a single season draft or lets call it modern era 2.0

but it needs to be clear which it is immediately

my understanding of single season is taking the player in THAT moment

not considering the leadership we know he was able to gain or the long range game he added years later, but just that season's worth of production

there can't be a grey area

and allowing people extra time to decide the year halts discussion and makes it easier on them to get advice and make the correct decision thus making the draft much less interesting and discussion less interesting as well

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07-18-2009 , 09:28 PM

#283

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fwiw, I was just pointing out the other points of view cvig.

If you read the enitrity of my post, I believe posting the season along with the pick is the way to go.

Get a Brain Moran.

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07-18-2009 , 09:30 PM

#284

NopairParker

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so am i in or out ?

Are you guys just keeping me out because you want bynum ? Ill agree to not draft bynum

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07-18-2009 , 09:31 PM

#285

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sigh

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07-18-2009 , 09:33 PM

#286

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Again, I say WTF???

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07-18-2009 , 09:34 PM

#287

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isnt the title single season
why wouldnt you pick a season when you pick the player, rocket science it is not

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07-18-2009 , 09:36 PM

#288

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Originally Posted by C-Viggity

makes abs. zero sense

what's the point of having the draft then?
we've already done a modern era nba draft, how would this be any different if there's no focus on it being from one season?

The distinctions of "single season" vs "build a franchise" was that in the "build a franchise" draft we were building our teams both for the short term and long term. In this draft, all we care about is the short term(next season) and after that we don't care at all. Several players with high peaks but short careers will have their values raised a ton. Plus we can now include player who played after 1979 but who also played before it.

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07-18-2009 , 09:36 PM

#289

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so mjw, in the rules change that we need to pick the season with the player, and now we can berate picks and not talk about rules

amirite?

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07-18-2009 , 09:37 PM

#290

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Originally Posted by Assani Fisher

right so include the season with the pick
agree and make this less difficult

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07-18-2009 , 09:38 PM

#291

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You should pick an age, not a season.

You get the player at that age. You do not get the stats he had that year. You can put the player into any situation on your team, so his stats could end up significantly different than in real life.

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07-18-2009 , 09:39 PM

#292

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The majority of people definitely seem to be in support of requiring to choose the season when you pick. Since you're already doing research (I assume), this really shouldn't be too much to ask. Unless more people are going to object, I say we go with this.

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07-18-2009 , 09:39 PM

#293

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Originally Posted by C-Viggity

right so include the season with the pick
agree and make this less difficult

I think including a season is a horrible idea though.

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07-18-2009 , 09:40 PM

#294

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Originally Posted by Assani Fisher

think this leaves way too much up to speculation for 2p2ers

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07-18-2009 , 09:41 PM

#295

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And, Assani is very correct in that, despite the single season thing, you're getting the player, not the exact stats. I can't believe I'm quoting Bobbo, but he often says "stats tell a story." That's what you should be looking at. The stats should give you a reasonable idea on what type of player you're getting, but he won't put up those same stats in this league.

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07-18-2009 , 09:42 PM

#296

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Originally Posted by mjw0586

like 2 people have objected and one is assani who tends to like things to be difficult (not necc a bad thing)

if the rules of the draft is to take a player from one season then take him from that season when you pick

all 15 or so people who have said this is common sense are correct

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07-18-2009 , 09:43 PM

#297

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Originally Posted by C-Viggity

like 2 people have objected and one is assani who tends to like things to be difficult (not necc a bad thing)

if the rules of the draft is to take a player from one season then take him from that season when you pick

all 15 or so people who have said this is common sense are correct

I agree, that's why I said we're going to go with the consensus. Not sure what your issue is.

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07-18-2009 , 09:44 PM

#298

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I agree, that's why I said we're going to go with the consensus. Not sure what your issue is.

no issue, just makin sure because jordan just got picked and he's probably one of the most difficult to pick a year for and should have the most discussion surrounding it