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06-10-2015 , 05:13 PM
Gsw absolutely should selectively press. Lebron and delly are poor ball handlrs.
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06-10-2015 , 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
Gsw absolutely should selectively press. Lebron and delly are poor ball handlrs.
Not only are they poor ball handlers
But it would just wear them out that much more
I'm for increasing iguadala work load and when Barnes plays he just goes ****ing Ham full court pressing

Don't really see how this series is close
I'm a huge lebron goat advocate but this is just too much
Might fire at GSW heavy with this price
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06-10-2015 , 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
Gsw absolutely should selectively press. Lebron and delly are poor ball handlrs.
Agreed. If for no other reason than Delly would be a lot more tired on the other end if he can't just chill for 20 seconds while LeBron isos.
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06-10-2015 , 05:45 PM
lol

"poor ball handler"

"goat"












smh
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06-10-2015 , 05:58 PM
"Couldn't shoot fts"

"Poor work ethic"

"Couldn't score outside 5 feet"

"Top 5 player of all time"

Smh
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06-10-2015 , 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Onlydo2days
It is pretty damn jarring watching them play right now and thinking "Holy **** they got 2 guys you would trust making a 23 foot jump shot right now"

Last years Spurs had about 5-6
Yeah they look relatively easy to defend right now. Gotta give the Cavs credit for their hustle and schemes.
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06-10-2015 , 06:01 PM
shaq?
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06-10-2015 , 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Onlydo2days
It is pretty damn jarring watching them play right now and thinking "Holy **** they got 2 guys you would trust making a 23 foot jump shot right now"

Last years Spurs had about 5-6
GSW have several 'kinda sorta shooters'. Iggy and Dray can kinda hit 3pt shots... but they aren't super efficient/deadly like Thompson and Curry are. Barnes had a good percentage this year, but is only 32% in the playoffs. Livingston is not a shooter. Barbosa can hit but he doesn't play enough minutes to matter.

So when they're hot, they're absolutely terrifying. But when they aren't hot, the defense can literally ignore Iggy and Dray like the Cavs have been doing and smother Curry/Thompson.
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06-10-2015 , 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by kidcolin
This wouldn't be heavy Lee minutes. He'd be playing 5-10. You play him when labron sits because labron is the only Cav who can exploit the **** out of Lee in the pnr.
I think he should play way more than that. He played 13 minutes last night and that wasn't enough.

I dunno, maybe I'm wrong, but I really don't feel like the Warriors are on the verge of figuring it out on offense. The only time they have scored over 30 points in a quarter was last night in the 4th quarter with Lee playing (and they scored 36). Cleveland is abusing their regular lineup.

I'm like one of the biggest pro-defense guys on here, but Lee's ****ty defense is not as important in this series given the matchup. Will it cause some PNR problems? Sure, but it's a trade off and I don't think it will kill them. It's not like he'll be guarding Lebron by himself.

They need to figure out a way to score against Cleveland's trapping scheme and Lee helps a ton with that. Green has been awful in that role.
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06-10-2015 , 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
Honestly, the commentary surrounding this series reminds me a great deal of the commentary around the series with the Griz. Griz won games 2 and 3. Curry played poorly, shooting 4-21 from three over a two game stretch. There was a lot of talk about how the Griz had "exposed" the Warriors, gotten physical, figured out how to lock down Curry, figured out how to control the tempo, etc. And then it all went out the window once the Warriors started shooting it better. That absolutely could happen again.
It could very well happen, but it's not like the Warriors are simply missing open shots this series. They can't get open shots.

Maybe they'll figure out a way to get more quality shots. But if they don't, I don't expect the shooting results to be any better.
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06-10-2015 , 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
dellavadova's play is like the most rediculous thing ive ever seen in sports. that bank shot, every loose ball, actually ouplaying curry. you simply cant make it up. dude is a cleveland folk hero no matter the result. it reminds me of the scene in fletch when chevy chase is killing it for the lakers.
I really didn't want to like the guy at first but his WIM is incredible.
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06-10-2015 , 06:18 PM
LOL non Heels /SRM Woyas fans
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06-10-2015 , 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by suckerpunch
FWIW, my friends and I are big Warriors fans, we split season tickets, and we thought they were being overrated this year. They play so sloppy for quarters at a time with an attitude like it's no big deal, and because they usually caught fire at some point and won the flaws were masked. And while it's true that they can get rolling offensively, it's utterly amazing how bad some other teams play defense.

They have two good shooters and one guy who can break people down off the dribble. When the transition game gets locked up and either of their shooters is off, they struggle to score.

I hate how Curry mopes around looking like he's about to cry when things are going bad. Maybe some Iggy will rub off on him.
This. I have never been impressed by them.
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06-10-2015 , 06:24 PM
So do we agree or disagree the Warriors need to throw a few more selective doubles at LeBron when they are in full out iso mode? Of course that strategy would probably be fine and they'd be up at least 2-1 if the offense had shown any consistency over the first 3 games but I'm not sure you can bank on the offense simply flipping the switch now. They need to do something to try and force the action, maybe a few quick shots and get out in transition. Of course if you start throwing doubles from the wrong spots you're going to leave gaping holes for offensive rebounding which you are already getting trashed in.

Up to Kerr to find ways to put his players in spots to succeed at this point.
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06-10-2015 , 06:35 PM
That confident, shoot-from-the-hip, almost careless approach the Warriors have was problem. It led to the need to value possessions more, and then that circumstance has had something to do with Curry's hesitancy perhaps imo
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06-10-2015 , 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by DannyOcean_
GSW have several 'kinda sorta shooters'. Iggy and Dray can kinda hit 3pt shots... but they aren't super efficient/deadly like Thompson and Curry are. Barnes had a good percentage this year, but is only 32% in the playoffs. Livingston is not a shooter. Barbosa can hit but he doesn't play enough minutes to matter.

So when they're hot, they're absolutely terrifying. But when they aren't hot, the defense can literally ignore Iggy and Dray like the Cavs have been doing and smother Curry/Thompson.
Yeah definitely.

Barnes was like 41% from the 3 in the regular season. Pretty much gets wide open looks. He might just be choking, when you get into a slump on this stage it can be hard to get out of it.
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06-10-2015 , 06:39 PM
Going back to the epic oop...

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Originally Posted by kidcolin
Another awful oop from delly but Bron finishes anyway.
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And that alley oop was terrible when you are throwing that to Bron, hell of a play by the WR
Idk, but this looks just fine to me. Remember, Bron was gassed as ****.



So often you see guys airmail these into the seats, you gotta give the man a chance to finish.
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06-10-2015 , 06:44 PM
Klay mistimed his jump and run terribly on that alley oop. Could have easily got a tip on it if not, underthrown ball that LeBron Flash Gordon did a nice job of handling.
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06-10-2015 , 06:49 PM
I disagree with the posts saying GSW should press higher up. Would be interested in stats but eyetest has NBA teams tending to easily pass or dribble around the press, the defense tires with little effect on the offense.

If it's just one rotation guy pressing, Cavs probably get around the press very easily. Press as a team and the Cavs still probably get around it easily but you're now tiring Curry and Thompson who are already carrying heavy minutes.

Even if you think Dellavedova would have difficulty handling the ball full-court against intense pressure, which I don't, Cleveland can drop a screener into the backcourt and/or players drop deep for a pass. If they press LeBron he will either put his shoulder down, beat his defender and have a numerical advantage going downhill, or he'll make an incisive pass.
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06-10-2015 , 06:52 PM
I don't think doubling lebron would be successful in the long run but if I was Kerr i would have at least tried the odd time when the context was best to see what happens. As it is i'm not sure experimenting in G4 is such a good idea, needed to try that in first couple games and reevaluate
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06-10-2015 , 07:02 PM
yea, the press is like a trick play in football, innit? unless you are UAB and Mike Anderson or some other outlier.
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06-10-2015 , 07:10 PM
Back in the early 90s I think the Bulls used to press some.

I remember George Karl Seattle teams used to trap a lot as well. Both of those strategies would likely just lead to an open 3 today but I guess atleast picking Dellavedova up at 94 feet could be an option but who does it? Curry? He has enough to worry about offensively right now.
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06-10-2015 , 07:13 PM
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06-10-2015 , 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by #Thinman
lol

"poor ball handler"

"goat"












smh
Well, hes poor relative to starting nba pgs but hes def elite compared to pfs and even sfs.
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06-10-2015 , 07:20 PM
The Lebron Theorem: He who has the assignment of defending Lebron on defense will suffer significant decrease in offensive production and fatigue in subsequent games.
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