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06-03-2016 , 04:46 PM
Good post by DarkCheck
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06-03-2016 , 04:50 PM
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Yep. Always excuses. This year though will be the hardest to excuse as they have all the advantages. Playing in the weaker east so they are rested and healthy. Steph coming off injury, warriors coming off an extremely tough 7 game battle. Bogut prolly not 100 percent.



I think if GS sweeps or wins in 5 or 6 we will see a big move from Cavs. I think Lebron decides Kyrie needs to go so he can hand pick one of his buddies to play with him. I don't know if Chris Paul possible but i bet that's who he'd want. When things don't go perfect for Lebron he gets whatever he wants. And the league never stops him from bringing all the greats into one place like they did the lakers when they were supposed to get Paul.

The hardest year to excuse is 2011, because Miami were the favorites, a better team, and LeBron played like crap. Going into the finals as a 2.5-1 dog vs a 73 win squad doesn't exactly require an excuse. The Woyas are just better. The Cavs could win (just like the Mavs did in 2011) but it would be a pretty big upset.

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As he said today about the Warriors: “If they win this championship, I’d have to say I was 100% wrong.” - Barkley

Props to chuck I guess. The garbage he's been spewing the past couple years has been brutal.


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Wasn't he spewing this same nonsense last year? He'll prob just keep rolling it over until the Warriors finally don't win a ring.
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06-03-2016 , 05:09 PM
Minor nitpick but I don't think Miami was that big of a fav going into finals. Think it was more like -180. Dallas had just beat LAL/OKC back to back 8 out of 9 games.

edit: Misread your post. Thought you said Heat were -250 vs Dallas, whoops. Point about it looking worse over time because Dallas was basically "1 and done" with Chandler still stands tho.

Still the way it all unfolded with LeBron slanking hard was big. Dallas was really, really good that year but the fact they broke up right after makes it seem a little worse of a loss in retrospect.

Last edited by Onlydo2days; 06-03-2016 at 05:15 PM.
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06-03-2016 , 05:51 PM
Hey at least the Cavs were able to hold down Steff and Klay!

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06-03-2016 , 05:54 PM
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lots of Livingston and Barbosa's buckets came when both Steph and Klay were on the bench

wasn't really CLE selling out to stop Steph and Klay leaving other guys open, more just the backup splash bros getting hot
I'll admit that I didn't think Livingston would go cold-stunner, I thought the Cavs could hold his midrange game. But Barbosa was always going to skunk the Cavs "depth", he's just too quick.
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06-03-2016 , 06:14 PM
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I'll admit that I didn't think Livingston would go cold-stunner, I thought the Cavs could hold his midrange game. But Barbosa was always going to skunk the Cavs "depth", he's just too quick.
I think Barbosa is the bigger surprise. As Barbosa is a wild, out of control player/shooter. He is the one guy i always cringe when it's him driving or shooting. He is very fast with lots of energy(love his energy/effort) but out of control. Where Livingston is a solid professional scorer as he's in control and always looking to find that high percentage pull up jumper around the foul line using his size to shoot over the usually smaller people guarding him. He had a bad series against okc like most warriors did because okc was one of the few teams that are bigger and longer than them. I worry Barbosa may think he's awesome now since everything was falling for him last game causing him to fire up tons a shots that will miss instead of giving it up to the more trustworthy bench scorers Livingston and Speights. If Klay in with backups he is first option then Livingston unless Speights is feeling it then you let him fire them up.

Last edited by DarkCheck; 06-03-2016 at 06:25 PM.
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06-03-2016 , 06:20 PM
Barbosa is perfect for teams like the Cavs that are never in quite the right spot and unlike OKC don't have five 30 foot wingspans to make up for their mistakes. That said he plays much better at Oracle than on the road so don't be surprised if he DNPCD's both games in Cleveland no matter how well he does on Sunday.
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06-03-2016 , 06:21 PM
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I think Barbosa is the bigger surprise. As Barbosa is a wild, out of control player/shooter. He is the one guy i always cringe when it's him driving or shooting. He is very fast with lots of energy but out of control. Where Livingston is a solid professional scorer as he's in control and always looking to find that high percentage pull up jumper around the foul line using his size to shoot over the usually smaller people guarding him. He had a bad series against okc like most warriors did because okc was one of the few teams that are bigger and longer then them. I worry Barbosa may think he's awesome now since everything was falling for him last game causing him to fire up tons a shots that will miss instead of giving it up to the more trustworthy bench scorers Livingston and Speights. If Klay in with backups he is first option then Livingston unless Speights is feeling it then you let him fire them up.
Now I get this, I do. You make a lot of good points, especially in regards to OKC. Livingston was forced into worse shots because he couldn't beat them in size or strength, and OKC's athleticism turned Barbosa away so much that I didn't think he even deserved time on the floor. But I thought the Cavs, who are not particularly great defenders on the whole, would relish at Livingston's Isoball and be devastated by Barbosa's quickness towards the basket.

It just turned out that the Cavs are bad against both of those things (At least last night).
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06-03-2016 , 06:23 PM
We definitely swept under the rug the fact that Kerr didn't stagger Klay/Curry since the bench was so good.

Is he really gonna be stingy with the minutes with 2 days rest inbetween games for most of the series?
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06-03-2016 , 06:27 PM
Just went and looked and it appears that this season Livingston was 12 for 13 from the field against Cleveland before yesterday. Guy found the cheat code
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06-03-2016 , 06:31 PM
I mean SDot going off is meh/whatever wrt Cavs defense, he's just taller than anyone Cleveland will send to guard him and they're never going to help when he's got the ball and from there it's a make or miss league meowchow, etc etc.

Bigger thing is (as I predicted) Cavs just have a complete inability to make the Dubs feel uncomfortable running their offense. Yeah they suck at communication, switching, etc. but when even one on one matchups like Steph and Dray taking it right into LBJ's chest are being lost you know the Cavs are toast.
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06-03-2016 , 06:31 PM
Does anyone know how I could check the splits on how the Cavs were in D-Eff last year pre and post trades?
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06-03-2016 , 06:36 PM
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We definitely swept under the rug the fact that Kerr didn't stagger Klay/Curry since the bench was so good.

Is he really gonna be stingy with the minutes with 2 days rest inbetween games for most of the series?
I noticed it. He got away with it again as the bench was hot. But when the bench goes cold it will be bad for GS. Especially since i expect Lebron to play more minutes(gonna start doing the Durant and Westbrook thing of playing most of the game) after he sat out the start of the 4th allowing GS to pull away. Even early in the game(start of 2nd quarter) no klay, no Steph, while Cavs had a lineup out there not far off their full starting lineup. Lebron, Love, Delly etc..
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06-03-2016 , 06:44 PM
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Hey at least the Cavs were able to hold down Steff and Klay!

LOL Kevin Love
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06-03-2016 , 07:05 PM
A little concerned just how off the mark some of those Curry shots were. I just didn't expect an airball and so many short front rimmers.
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06-03-2016 , 07:09 PM
I mean, it's not like Cleveland played great D to shut down Curry and Klay, they just sucked. That should be extremely troubling that they still got blown out.
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06-03-2016 , 07:10 PM
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A little concerned just how off the mark some of those Curry shots were. I just didn't expect an airball and so many short front rimmers.
Don't think fatigue was that big of an issue but they did just play a grueling 7 game series, might have been some tired legs Thursday.
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06-03-2016 , 07:12 PM
This could be true and might account for the lengthy time they spent on the bench in game 1.
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06-03-2016 , 07:14 PM
Yeah, battling back from down 3-1 vs OKC was pretty brutal.

Luckily for them this series will take roughly 2 months to play so they should be OK.
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06-03-2016 , 07:14 PM
That game was played poorly all around. Hope we see better basketball on Sunday.
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06-03-2016 , 07:23 PM
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I noticed it. He got away with it again as the bench was hot. But when the bench goes cold it will be bad for GS. Especially since i expect Lebron to play more minutes(gonna start doing the Durant and Westbrook thing of playing most of the game) after he sat out the start of the 4th allowing GS to pull away. Even early in the game(start of 2nd quarter) no klay, no Steph, while Cavs had a lineup out there not far off their full starting lineup. Lebron, Love, Delly etc..
I mean, they won 86 games so far doing this, including beating the pants off these Cavs on the road. Yes, it did look like Curry needed more time against OKC, and he got it, but against Non-OKC teams, the bench has usually been good enough.
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06-03-2016 , 07:41 PM
if not for the weak opponent, i would have called this our best top to bottom game all year.
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06-03-2016 , 07:56 PM
maybe curry just missed some shots. that does happen

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I mean, they won 86 games so far doing this, including beating the pants off these Cavs on the road. Yes, it did look like Curry needed more time against OKC, and he got it, but against Non-OKC teams, the bench has usually been good enough.
yeah kerr playing the bench is way less of a concern than vs okc, who in close games were playing durant and rwb for 40+ min, (nearly 45+ in durant's case). the cavs run deeper rotations. just can't have lebron out there with scrubs
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06-03-2016 , 07:58 PM
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I mean, they won 86 games so far doing this, including beating the pants off these Cavs on the road. Yes, it did look like Curry needed more time against OKC, and he got it, but against Non-OKC teams, the bench has usually been good enough.
In the regular season against weaker teams fine. But Kerr did start experimenting earlier in the season putting Klay in with the backups for more offense and leadership/running the team and it worked quite well. But has went back to not putting klay in as often which i think is a mistake against good teams in big playoff games. As the other teams are going full out playing their best players most of the game against them where Kerr hopes his backups can hold their own against them until he wants to put Steph and klay back in. Steph and Klay are young and fit and no need for them to sit so long while other teams playing their best players. I can see being slightly cautious with Steph because of the injury but Klay seems very durable and ready to go so he should be in with the backups to hold the fort til Steph comes back in. Let Klay come out of 3rd with few minutes left while steph finishes 3rd quarter. Then let Steph sit 3 minutes in 4th(not 5 minutes + like kerr does many times) while Klay comes back in. Sometimes the bench is hot and all is well. But when they're cold(there have been many games where the backups have been cold looking for offense and needing one of Klay or Steph to right the ship) it gives the other team a chance to either comeback and or take a lead when both are off the court for extended time.
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06-03-2016 , 08:25 PM
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Hey at least the Cavs were able to hold down Steff and Klay!

lol terrible.
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