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01-07-2010 , 11:45 PM

#601

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I'm not a fan of the Evans pick at all. I probably wouldn't even have picked him at #25. He is different from Wall as he isn't a slam dunk, can't miss superstar prospect. He's played well in the NBA for 30 games but that isn't nearly enough to make me take him over legit superstars. Like I figured, the really young guys picked would be terrible value.

What are my options here. GO with aged established guys with little to no upside. Go with older players who have no upside and could have injury issues. Or go big and get owned or own. Without a top 5 pick in this--it's going to be tough to win the theoretical league. I can't imagine the team without a top 5 player has a chance here. And a team with Deron has little to no chance here either.

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01-07-2010 , 11:46 PM

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yeah i did. largely because cl.ar.k can be a dick about that stuff.

LOL you were warned literally a half-dozen times, maybe more. Then when you got banned for a whole day after pushing the envelope in like every post you cried like an emo bitch to all your friends, who innundated me with inane "please spare poor Bobbo" PMs. gmafb, that one was clearly deserved.

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01-07-2010 , 11:46 PM

#603

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Tyreke was the flavor of the month, i think he'll have around the same level of success as Michael Beasley will (granted them being completely different players making my comparision stupid)

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01-07-2010 , 11:46 PM

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me too. but id take deron over all of them.

i cant believe someone argued they didnt want to take deron 'bc they cant imagine winning a championship with him'. teams win championship. if you think this is true, the guys who draft 11-30 should just retire and say 'well we cant win a championship!' ridic. you draft the best player (or later, fit/relative value)

deron > wall/evans ainec.

ya this, making it to the conference finals or whatever for a few years is still way more successful than almost all the teams in this league, plus i could easily see 1 or 2 championships from a team lead by deron or other undrafted players if u draft really well later on

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01-07-2010 , 11:46 PM

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Deron is near his peak. We know how good he is. He's 5 years older than Reke and likely not going to get much better although he's quite good. Reke at 20 has played really well for a rookie PG on a really ****ty team and could go up to elite superstar level or could just be a very good player. I doubt you win a title in this league with a guy like Deron unless you get another hidden superstar in the latter rounds. Then again my odds of winning a title without a top 5 pick are pretty low as well. I'm just hoping for a Durant like improvement from Reke into the upper echelon of player while I don't have that real chance with Deron who is great but never going to be a top 5 player in the league in all likelyhood. It's low chance that Reke is ever a top 5 player but I think the chance that he is, is greater than Deron.

Granger is good, but he's a scorer and that's it. He's 26 this year and likely near his peak which is a 25/6r guy who doesn't defend really well. Reke is a much better play maker. As I said it's a high upside pick and could easily backfire but with Granger like with most of these players taken now the chance of title is pretty small.

you do realize deron is like +5 apm, right? tons of minutes, few injuries, and is 25, not 26 this year? (he's the same age as melo) dude can do it all, plus he has size so he guards SGs all the time.

tyreke isn't really a pg, isn't really a sg, and has a much smaller window of work. yes, he looks good, yes, he deserves to be a 1st rounder, but deron >>> tyreke.

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01-07-2010 , 11:47 PM

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tyreke is awesome. i dont get the hate. dude is like a tweaner between lebron and wade.

btw, his rookie numbers most resemble lebrons. http://www.basketball-reference.com/...nsty01&y2=2010

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01-07-2010 , 11:47 PM

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Yeah I'm really surprised Deron hasn't gone yet and I think there's another guy comparable to Granger but better still out there.

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01-07-2010 , 11:47 PM

#608

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tyreke is awesome. i dont get the hate. dude is like a tweaner between lebron and wade.

btw, his rookie numbers most resemble lebrons. http://www.basketball-reference.com/...nsty01&y2=2010

a lot of guys have had awesome numbers through 30 games

What's Steve Francis up to these days?

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01-07-2010 , 11:48 PM

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Deron > Evans > Wall imo, although Evans and Wall are razor close

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01-07-2010 , 11:48 PM

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"clearly"??? you and i have different definitions of what is clear.

regardless, im not complaining about the ban now, now im in the phase where im able to joke about it. so, haha, it was funny. but dont temp ban me anymore over stupid stuff, please.

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01-07-2010 , 11:49 PM

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exactly. ppl need to realize the jazz lost to the eventual nba champion spurs not-too-long ago w/ Deron as their best player. not every team/player can win a championship.

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01-07-2010 , 11:49 PM

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haha amazing

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01-07-2010 , 11:49 PM

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I ain't playing Reke at the 1. I'm playing him at the 2 like a Wade/LBJ etc with guys playing off of him. Like I said this could easily backfire, but I figure I go for the potential top 5 guy who could win me a title than a guy who will likely be as good as he is right now for the duration. I figure take a shot. I took a shot in the previous dynasty draft with Howard and he's turned out to be an excellent player albeit at a later starting date.

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01-07-2010 , 11:50 PM

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You are all just jealous you didn't pick Wall obviously.

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01-07-2010 , 11:50 PM

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he can take it to the rack better then any PG in the nba and if you dont think thats important, well lol.

the 3pt shot will come and if it doesn't he won't chuck a bunch up, he's a very smart player.

devin harris when healthy > tyreke right now at taking it to the rack

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01-07-2010 , 11:50 PM

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Man Bobbo getting Melo is awesome. He always hated Melo (although has definitely turned the corner).

yeah, this makes me have to defend him / pimp him out. at least i dont despise him anymore

fwiw, i think when the draft gets a little later so every pick is so unclear discussing randoms becomes kinda gay. but here, who has NOT thought of deron williams/ i mean c'monnn

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01-07-2010 , 11:51 PM

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You are all just jealous you didn't pick Wall obviously.

i'd much rather have wall than evans fwiw and was considering wall at #16, #11 is still too early for him but not by much or anything

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01-07-2010 , 11:51 PM

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devin harris when healthy > tyreke right now at taking it to the rack

oh pls. this is just not correct. i dont care what the stats say.

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01-07-2010 , 11:51 PM

#619

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Wall has his own thread. Does LeBron? No. Kobe? No.

WALL>ALL

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01-07-2010 , 11:52 PM

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ok, now this is truly funny, and I mean that in a good way. Fair enough.

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01-07-2010 , 11:52 PM

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what does that mean? he's completely different mentally, plays a better position and has a better body for the position he plays.

Also he's got a better skillset/body then any pg in the league when it comes to a PG who could lead a championship team.

Evans is not a PG, not that it matters

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01-07-2010 , 11:53 PM

#622

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oh pls. this is just not correct. i dont care what the stats say.

i don't think u realize how good harris is at driving the ball, he is easily one of the quickest pgs in the league (and easily quicker than tyreke)

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01-07-2010 , 11:53 PM

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I will mention--I don't even like Tyreke that much and I hate defending him. I just see that he could be the next Wade or something so I took him. He was a top level recruit, he was great at Memphis and he's been great so far and better than most 20 year olds who ended up being superstars. His wingspan is another thing I liked (it's huge) and will defenitely help him become a good defender if he desires.