Two year guaranteed deals that are < $1,000,000 a year don't exactly hamstring a teams cap. Good Euros aren't coming to the NBA for that amount, and their buy-outs are going to be nearly half their salary.

Late firsts are right around $1m per, Euros never have to come over though. Get em in summer league, give em a look. If they need more time, let them stay over and develop, if they just suck, forget them (or dangle their rights to an unsuspecting team). What is the asset value of a Luke Harangoody? What value he has (salary throw in for larger trade) is better done by a guy on the vet minimum anyway. Whereas a Euro at least holds some value and you can let him develop on someone else's dime. Of course there are exceptions, but the teams which draft well don't waste late firsts on crappy american players.

but they sometimes use late 1sts on non-crappy americans.

i'm not sure exactly what your point is. I think it's that for a team like the heat/bulls/thunder, they are probably better off stashing somebody than using their pick on Draymond Green who has little upside and can be replaced with somebody of similar caliber using the vet's min. If so, I agree. But there should be enough worthwhile gambles on american college players in the late 1st such that it's def +EV for team equity to take a flier on one, especially if they don't have an elite int'l scouting department.

so basically I think the moral of the story is that Draymond Green should not be drafted in rd 1.

Well right - in my initial post I said "zero upside guys" - eminently replaceable bangers, career backup PG types.

I like the Bulls strategy of drafting megaelite superstars with the 30th overall

Not how it works. Player would have to be under contract with the NBA team, meaning the NBA team has paid a buy-out or the player's current Euro team would have to allow them to risk injury, etc. in meaningless exhibition games for a team that hasn't yet paid them.

Luke Harangody makes the vet minimum... with minimal years service. When talking about throw in salaries, if it is 485k or 900k is irrelevant, they are equally tradeable.

I agree with you, but reality of NBA teams is they will take established college players somewhat regularly in the end of the first (22-30?).

Also, your last comment is sort of chicken and egg.

Oklahoma City slam dunked drafted a career back-up this year in Reggie Jackson.

Royce White suppose to be signing with Andy Miller... probably first round. Don't know that anyone could keep Royce his whole career, dude is wild.

Speaking of career backup PGs, is Aaron Craft an NBA player (obviously in 2 years or so?)

reggie jackson is incredibly terrible. fisher is probably an upgrade which tells you all you need to know

Reggie Jackson has a worse left hand than Jeremy Lin. For real.

A bunch of Euros have played in summer league and not come over. In recent memory Eyenga played for 2 or 3 years for the Cavs, Peteri Kopponen played for the Blazers, I think Mahinmi played in summer league one year before he came over, Ibaka too. Several other dudes who have never (and for most of them, probably will never) come over (Nando de Colo, Sun Yue) - not sure exactly how this works out, but the point remains you can retain the asset value of the pick a little better than by drafting a completely fungible guy like Green.

this dude is gunna ball in the rite environment. would love the cavs to snag him at 25. they proly wont with tristan there. makes me even moar mad they didnt take jonas.

Typically this is because the teams have already paid any buy-out with the contract or reached an agreement. I'm saying a guy like Mirotic wouldn't play summer league as he has a multi-million euro deal in Europe.

Re Kraft: I think he's a Euroleague player at worst. He can make the NBA as a 2nd rounder, don't know if he'll ever be a 1st round pick. Gritty white pgs hit close to most GMs heart.

Also, I'm coming around on Sullinger.

sullinger just seems too productive to fail. it's not like he has zero shot to be a v good player either

i like him too, but the problem is that he's just not going to slip into an incredible situation like SA like JB did. therefore he will win up on some **** team who probably assumes the fifth pick in the draft should be a go to post player. he is not that, imo, becuase he's 6'6 an doesn't have blake griffin's explosiveness.

I don't know what's happened to Beal from reg season to tourney, but he's ****ing amazing and his draft stock has to be going through the roof

its looks like beal has played himself into the next tier.

davis

mkg
drummond

barnes
trob
beal

cavs could really use him but they are pretty entrenched at 8. i think they go lamb. is he any good? hell, id love to see them take royce at 8. dude is lamar odom with ferocity.

also, is deshaun thomas gonna be a first rounder?

Cavs and other crappy teams should try and trade for a first rounder. I think they can be had fairly easily if you absorb a bad contract.

Something like Derozan+Davis for Will Bynum+Detroit's pick would be pretty sexy for the Raps.

I just want Derozan+Davis off the team.

how is MKG considered the #2 prospect? His play just look inconsistent.

he's extremely young and already elite at defense. has all the tools and plays like his ass is on fire. I wouldn't take him at 2 (drummond ldo) but I can see why people like him

dx has his best case as Gerald Wallace, I think his upside is much greater than that

Pistons prolly gonna be picking 6/7

Pleaseeeeeeeeee still be there when we pick Beal.

dumahhhs ghana take perry jlolnes and let beal slip to the cavs

Greg Monroe & Jonas Jerebko though.

I have no idea what to think of lambs prospects as a uconn fan..everyone seemed disappointed with him this year but his numbers were fine. He's still 19. I think it's worth noting that he was by far the leading scorer and #1 option on the u19 team last summer on a squad with McDermott, joe Jackson, hardaway jr, Patric young, Meyers Leonard etc. His defensive effort seemed pretty awful this year tho and he seemed to give up a lot fighting through screens