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02-11-2024 , 01:32 AM
Klay is probably the guy i root hardest for but he is borderline unplayable now. Terrible body language out there coupled with poor shot selection and below average defense. Father time is undefeated. Sad.

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02-11-2024 , 03:15 AM
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Originally Posted by RT
12 years ago to the day, in the same building. That's kinda eerie

Umm, yeah. Considering that play basically never happens, and I'm guessing that Kobe's was the last of that type, that's too much symmetry for me. And I'm not really a divine believer. Super eerie.
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02-11-2024 , 03:23 AM
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Originally Posted by All-inMcLovin
Doesn't make it any less of a gimmick, and that's assuming they get home court in the West. Which as a "joke of a defending champion" they probably won't.

Mavs with Gafford (and also PJ Washington) have been amazing today (up 110(!) to 89 thru 3Q vs OKC). Gafford 19/9 (with 4 oreb) thru 3Q's in 15 mins. and the Wizards basically gave him away for next to nothing???

Mavs definitely are underrated. Man there are so many good teams this year, it's so much fun vs having some cupcake bitch like Durant breaking the league for multiple years because he's so unbelievably insecure.
Mavs got longer and more athletic. Low key great trades. And they had to give up Grant Williams. Lol
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02-11-2024 , 04:00 AM
Hey now, the Hornets, along with Grant Williams, actually looked like a real basketball team tonight. Grant is also a hometown guy.

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02-11-2024 , 06:08 AM
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Hey now, the Hornets, along with Grant Williams, actually looked like a real basketball team tonight. Grant is also a hometown guy.
Don't be surprised if you find Williams and his constant on and off-floor antics quickly grow old.
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02-11-2024 , 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by pnazari
Klay is probably the guy i root hardest for but he is borderline unplayable now. Terrible body language out there coupled with poor shot selection and below average defense. Father time is undefeated. Sad.

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I don't know whether it is age, permanently reduced stability because of injuries, or my poor memory of what he was like seven years ago, but when I watch Klay now, I am very cognizant of how much he drifts laterally when he shoots on the move. That's such a tough way to make shots.

Also, when I watch Klay now, I feel like I can predict with a high degree of accuracy whether the shot is going in just based on what type of shot he is taking. I guess that's another way of saying that Klay is no longer a guy who can make tough shots reliably. He used to be, but not any more. But he's still taking those tough shots.
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02-11-2024 , 12:44 PM
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Don't be surprised if you find Williams and his constant on and off-floor antics quickly grow old.
Meh. That wasn't really a problem with the Celtics. Grant's main issue is that he just doesn't have the offensive game of a good NBA starter. If he is in a role where you need him to take more six or seven shots a game, you have a problem.
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02-11-2024 , 01:07 PM
It was just nice seeing guys wearing a Hornets uniform care about winning.

New ownership is doing good things so far. I hope they can keep it going.
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02-11-2024 , 03:07 PM
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Doc's COTY in Orlando with a ragtag group beforehand helps with that carriage.
I think that was so long ago that it doesn't have a ton of relevance, other than that the fact that he's still coaching at all likely means he might have been an above-average head coach at the time. Coaching has come a long long way.

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What most don't remember was the year he had in LAC before Kawhi. That was a pretty impressive return on that roster.
I'm not sure a one-off 1.09 SRS wonder (0.15 SRS seaason before) that massively outperforms its point differential is something that says a ton about the head coach. That team had a decent amount of talent overall, just didn't have top players.

Another thing that most people don't remember is that Doc literally built that roster. Doc (who has also been the GM for a few years at the time) traded away Chris Paul and the reports are that Chris Paul wanted to leave specifically because of Doc.

https://www.nbcsports.com/nba/news/r...ise-doc-rivers

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If Chris Paul trusted Doc Rivers to build and coach a contender with the Clippers, he would not have been laying the groundwork with other teams in advance of free agency, then ultimately telling the Clippers he was headed to the Rockets and they should make a trade to send him there. Which they did.

That distrust isn’t just that the Clippers never got out of the second round, it was about the perception of how Rivers managed the team — specifically his son Austin Rivers. I have been told by multiple players and people around the Clippers there was a real frustration with how the younger Rivers was treated, including Austin getting a three-year, $35 million contract seen as more than he deserved.
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02-11-2024 , 06:22 PM
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Meh. That wasn't really a problem with the Celtics. Grant's main issue is that he just doesn't have the offensive game of a good NBA starter. If he is in a role where you need him to take more six or seven shots a game, you have a problem.
Williams' immaturity impacted Boston's on-the-floor culture. The man had too much mouth without enough game to back it up. Word out of Dallas has been that he rubbed people the wrong way there.

As this year has progressed, with Smart & Williams gone, Boston has been less prone to be constantly complaining to officials. Porzingis and (even more so) Holiday have improved the group's focus; that's not to say they won't melt down in tight playoff games. That's to be seen; it's happened too many times to assume it's been eradicated.

And nothing means anything with this squad unless Silver hands Grousbeck the O'Brien Trophy in June.
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02-11-2024 , 06:45 PM
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and are the cavs Actually Good?

according to dorktown, the cavs are +303 over their last 18 games, and the only teams with such a stretch ever are: '71/'20 bucks, 72-win bulls, durant woyas, duncan/kiwi spurs

a better run than any of the following teams ever had: 89 suns, 72 lakers, 95 jazz, 62 celts, 07 pistons, 69 knicks, 2017 rockets (???), 95 sonics, 90 blazers, etc


cavs confirmed big time back !?
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02-11-2024 , 06:45 PM
49ers 31 Chiefs 27
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02-12-2024 , 01:33 AM
Jalen Williams has bpitl potential
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02-12-2024 , 02:19 AM
Thunder can win it all if Jalen becomes a de facto #2 guy and Chet is aggressive enough offensively to be a legit #3 guy.



This ****ing year!
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02-12-2024 , 04:56 AM
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Durant is the most talented scorer ever, by far. It's a shame he's a mentally weak loser.
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12 years ago to the day, in the same building. That's kinda eerie

It reminds me about Kobe/pau .

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02-12-2024 , 07:02 AM
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Thunder can win it all if Jalen becomes a de facto #2 guy and Chet is aggressive enough offensively to be a legit #3 guy.



This ****ing year!
JDub is already clearly #2. He has old man game. Never seems to be rushed and makes good decisions. Thunder have a potential HoF trio here. Chet doesn't need to score really just give great rim protection and hit open 3s.
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02-12-2024 , 10:10 AM
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Williams' immaturity impacted Boston's on-the-floor culture. The man had too much mouth without enough game to back it up. Word out of Dallas has been that he rubbed people the wrong way there.

As this year has progressed, with Smart & Williams gone, Boston has been less prone to be constantly complaining to officials. Porzingis and (even more so) Holiday have improved the group's focus; that's not to say they won't melt down in tight playoff games. That's to be seen; it's happened too many times to assume it's been eradicated.

And nothing means anything with this squad unless Silver hands Grousbeck the O'Brien Trophy in June.
Boston obviously is better now. I just don't buy that it is because of eliminating Grant's influence on team culture. Yes, Grant talks too much. Yes, Grant complains about the officiating too much, especially for a player who isn't that good. But I never got the sense that the better players were taking their cues on how to approach the game from Grant.

The Celtics definitely are better with Staps and Jrue than they were with Smart, Rob Williams, and Grant, but mainly because Staps and Jrue are better players and a better basketball fit than the guys they replaced. Also, Staps has been relatively healthy.

As for Grant, he just isn't that good. He is a sturdy defender against bigger players. He stays in front of guards better than you would expect. He is an adequate 3pt shooter from the corner. But he is below replacement at everything else. He has no offensive game beyond standing in the corner. He has no bounce. He is a worse rebounder than you would expect. His upside case is PJ Tucker, which just isn't that valuable.
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02-12-2024 , 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by All-inMcLovin
Thunder can win it all if Jalen becomes a de facto #2 guy and Chet is aggressive enough offensively to be a legit #3 guy.



This ****ing year!
JDub is already a great #2. Is it a hot take to say SGA + JDub is a better duo than Tatum/Brown already? Because I think it's pretty clearly true.

The history of the league says they're drawing dead this year because they haven't even been to the playoffs and nobody ever just runs through the playoffs without losing first. But they are contenders, especially if the seeding worked out so they only had to play one of LAC/DEN.

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JDub is already clearly #2. He has old man game. Never seems to be rushed and makes good decisions. Thunder have a potential HoF trio here. Chet doesn't need to score really just give great rim protection and hit open 3s.
His consistency at hitting tough shots is unreal. You can play perfect defense on SGA/JDub and they just make every contested shot.

Chet's already so good at that role as a rookie and he's having one of the best rookie seasons this century. But we don't get to see how much he's capable of doing offensively. A lot of times he'll catch the ball and look to shoot or drive but he's very hesitant to force anything so he'll just kick it back out to the perimeter. Some of his drives look hella awkward but they've actually been pretty damn efficient overall. In a weird way it reminds me of Ginobili, where he's in the perfect spot on a great team but it'd be fun to see what he could do as the #1 option on a worse team.
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02-12-2024 , 02:28 PM
OKC should draft Bronny and try to sign Lebron in the offseason.

I'm serious. Lebron would be a great fit on that team! It'd be worth wasting a pick on him if that means Lebron signs with you.
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02-12-2024 , 03:55 PM
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Jalen Williams has bpitl potential

But can he be better than Walker Kessler?


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02-12-2024 , 04:15 PM
Mathurin too high, Ivey and Murray too low
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02-12-2024 , 05:52 PM
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Boston obviously is better now. I just don't buy that it is because of eliminating Grant's influence on team culture.
Moving on from Smart was more important than Williams, but Williams' personality was a negative - even if Tatum didn't see it. Refer back to Brown being unwilling to answer media questions about Williams' antics in game two of last year's ECF.

And, from the EPSN Hoop Collective podcast: “They [Dallas] were determined to dump him,” MacMahon said. “Not just about getting PJ Washington. They wanted to be out of the Grant Williams business. He rubbed a lot of people the wrong way.

Replacing the over-inflated egos of Smart and Williams with the win-first personalities of Porzingis and Holiday was a no-brainer. That being said, nothing matters unless Tatum & Brown are ready to win. If Boston doesn't lift the trophy in June, the season is a failure.
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02-12-2024 , 08:26 PM
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OKC should draft Bronny and try to sign Lebron in the offseason.

I'm serious. Lebron would be a great fit on that team! It'd be worth wasting a pick on him if that means Lebron signs with you.

Then he’s gonna GM Lebron his way to forcing them to actually give Bronny minutes
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02-12-2024 , 10:15 PM
LOL Pacers. Man, sure could use a starting 2 guard huh? Probably would help the flow of your offense and allow your bench (that is leading the NBA in points scored) to actually score points.

Nah, better trade that guy away for the 37th pick in an awful draft. Clowns
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02-12-2024 , 10:22 PM
Wemby almost got a triple double 23 points 11 rebounds 9 blocks

1 quarter to go but the craptors cant keep it competitive at home vs the spurs
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