It's only been a week though! Billups #s are way down this year, but the past 5 years he's been a top 2-3 PG year in year out.

This is a crazy bad deal unless Detroit knows something about Billups' health that we don't. AI straight up for Billups is a bad deal. McDyess is no slouch, either.

mcdyess is a really good player that fit their offense perfectly for 20m/game.

i dont know much about his d.

ok fair enough, I almost never watch the pistons so I really have no clue how much Billups has declined. If he has declined a good amount it's prob a good trade for Detriot (AI is pretty overrated by general fans although probably underrated on here), if his decline has been overblown it's a hilariously bad trade for them.

ya I do know that McDyess killed the Celtics last year in the playoffs with his money midrange jumpshot, so if he is close to the same player as he was then (hard to see him falling off that much) he is def still a good player although someone mentiond him getting bought out and signing back with the pistons.

just in terms of overall value this seems like a horrible deal.

but its even worse when you consider the piston style of basketball. i dont see how adding one of the biggest ball hogs of the era will contribute to a team whose success came from unselfish team ball.

http://www.storytellerscontracts.com/ (click the player contracts button)

AI has a $20M deal that expires after this season.

Billups is booked for ~$12M through '10-'11 with a team option in '11-'12. McD making 6.5 per through '10.

So maybe it's just a straight up "time to rebuild" thing in Detroit while offering a smooth transition and still remaining a playoff team.

OK, yeah I hate this a lot, lot less after seeing all the contract info involved. Dumars is admitting we need to rebuild and now has massive flexibility the next two years. We get worse to get better, annoying, but smart and reasonable.,

Still seems weird that he would do that with a team that if they can't win as presently constructed, could get a player before the trade deadline to be a difference-maker. It just seems they were too close to pull the plug, but meh I suck at EC teams so maybe I'm wrong. I do know AI will probably help them overcome their reputation for indifference come playoff time.

Yeah, but I'm assuming he looked at the market and didn't see much that he could make work. Dumars is a patient guy. He said he was going to shake up the team over summer, but it didn't really happen. He's been waiting for an opportunity to give himself a chance to build around the younger guys and he took it. Probably didn't want to gamble on an appropriate star free agent being available this year.

I'll be sad to see Chauncey go, but this stuff happens.

As a big Rodney Stuckey believer, this makes sense to me.

Disagree with all the "Billups has declined massively" sentiment though.

Billups hasn't declined "massively", but he definitely has declined. His decision making gets more sporadic by the year. Honestly, this is about the best value the Pistons could have gotten, if they were looking for a trade. And as Clark said, Rodney Stuckey is the truth. It's time to let him shine. Tayshaun gets bumped to the bench, I think. They're planning on starting Amir Johnson this year.

lol

No, I like rondo. Half the league is guilty of this anyways, its just something I wish would be changed.

Honestly, I think this might turn Detroit into a 6-8 seed, and I only mean might. Do the Pistons get the Iverson from last season who was actually very, very good, or does he revert to Philly usage rates as he's primed to be the primary scorer yet again? I'm guessing it will probably be somewhere in between.

I think the loss of McDyess is pretty huge, too. I guess it's Amir's time to shine. I guess if he plays as well as a starter as he has off the bench the past few years (and AI stays very good) then they'll still win ~50 games.

I kinda like the deal. I know it might leave them worse than last year, but the problem is that their core of Chauncey/Rip/Tayshaun/Dyess/Sheed just wasn't gonna get it done against Boston or Cleveland in the playoffs this year.

I'm just wondering if they're gonna put AI at the point or move him to 2 and Rip to SF, and have Stuckey as the starting PG with Tayshaun/Amir and Sheed as the starting 5 or keep Stuckey as the backup PG and start Iverson at Point.

I've warmed up to the deal after reading around about it some more. Rumor is McDyess won't play in Denver and could be bought out, meaning he could come back to Detroit.

It also frees up a ton of money for the '10 offseason. I doubt they'll get LeBron, but he's not the only major free agent hitting the market that year.

This pretty much sums it up for me. I don't think they can win the East still but it clears up enough cap room to make a run at the big FA's next year with AI/Sheed off the books

Who guard's the 3? Not Rip i hope..

If anyone feels like reading ******ed comments, check this stuff out

http://www.mlive.com/pistons/index.s...ups_mcdye.html

I love people.

Also, should be fun seeing Billups get Deron and CP a whole lot more than he would have otherwise. 7 games left against Utah and New Orleans versus the 4 Detroit would have played. We'll get to find out just how much, if at all, Chauncey has regressed this year in due time.

Looks like the Cavs and Celtics are the big winners of this trade.

So they traded Billups for cap relief basically? If they're letting Iverson walk after this year then how is it a smooth transition?

+1

I hate this trade for Detroit. You don't try to get cap relief by trading a great player who is still in his prime imo. Signing guys like Billups are why you want cap room in the first place. I understand they have Stuckey and that this free him up. What about Rip now though? I definitely think Rip is overrated, so if this means a lot less time for him then I guess I could see it....still don't think I like it though.

So Denver basically turned Andre Miller and some crappy draft picks into Chauncey Billups, right?

Disagree completely, and I'm a huge JON hater. Especially for Toronto, JON>>>Camby.

JON is still a very very good one-on-one defender and you can now give Bosh the easier post matchup which lets him stay rested. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Bosh had a career year this year. Everyone will probably say "Oh he matured so much playing with Team USA" but in truth it will be more about JON helping him out.

Camby, on the other hand, is a much better help defender.


On offense, meh I don't know which one is worse. Bosh can stray from the basket a bit(and is good at it), so I think JON's style meshes better with Bosh on offense I guess.

yea, 17.0/7.6/3.0 with a TS% of 61.9% on the slowest paced team in the league was clearly declining last year.

Seriously, you need to explain yourself if you're going to make a comment like this imo.

Yeah, Toronto acquired JON to guard Dwight Howard and other competent big men who are too big for Bosh. He fills more holes than a Camby would. Let's also reserve some judgement on his skills and offensive utility for a latter date.