seeing all these pg lists just makes me more pissed at monta ellis now

Who are the bottom 3 of starting PGs in the NBA?

Fisher
Telfair
Beno Udrih

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totally forgot about him, if he comes back strong he could def be better than rondo as well

where's odell when you need him to say that all these lists are bogus without iverson in them

Looks like our list is closer than you thought.

I can see Harris and Nash where you put them (I prob put Nash too high) but I strongly disagree on Baron Davis. He's always injured, he dribbles too much, has horrible shot selection, is inefficient, disrupts the flow on offense too much.

I think Rose needs more love. Guy is KJ reincarnate. I would take him over Devin Harris for next year.

We all (well at least me) forgot about Arenas.
How would you guys rank him?

I don't think of him as a PG but I guess he is

Calderon looks worse on defense than he really is because the Raptors have awful help defense, so everytime someone blows by him it results in a layup. When someone blows by Rondo, he has to go through the great wall of China to get anything.

Baron Davis is a fat piece of **** and shouldn't even be considered for top 20 PG's in the NBA.

I don't watch enough west coast games probably, so I tend to misrank a lot of west coast players and admit that.

I definitely wouldn't have Rose in the convo with Harris going in to next year, although Rose certainly could be good

This is a good point, but you can easily go to level #3 here and say it's easy to say Calderon is bad on defense just because his team defense is really bad and you can kind of ignore the fact that he's also just plain bad individually

this seems logical and is prob a good point imo

Calderon also played on an injured leg most of the season so he didn't have the quickness to guard anyone except maybe Anthony Johnson.

Fisher is easily worst starting PG in the NBA.
Luke Ridnour can be #4.

ur just mad he doesn't play for ur favorite team the lakers and plays for their cross town rivals

this made me lol

I agree he's not that good a defender but he would look a whole lot better in a system that protected him a little.

Calderon's size and strength makes it near impossible for him to ever be able to guard a lot of the NBA's big physical PGs like Billups or whoever (in any system)

The quote is also from Rondo's rookie ****ing year...

To be fair, I will point out that Rondo is an extremely polarizing player for this thread and I am one of the posters here who likes his game the least. So I very well could be wrong.

However, imo for non-superstar players(for the sake of this conversation, I consider a player a "superstar" if I could reasonably envision him winning a title as the best player on his team) the ability to knock down open shots is one of the most important skill sets because in addition to the obvious benefits, it has a great affect on floor spacing and opening up space for your superstar to create.

Just think about how most successful NBA teams try to build once they get a superstar. In both Cleveland and Orlando, their first goal was to put shooters around their superstar. And even in N.O. where it hasn't worked out as nicely, they brought in Peja(career 40+% 3pt shooter), Butler(career 37.1% 3pt shooter), and Posey(career 35.3% 3pt shooter but thats weighed down by his early seasons, hes been noticeably better the past few years) right after they found out that CP3 was a stud.

I'm certainly not saying that its the only reliable formula for a title, but the idea of getting a superstar(often times this has more to do with luck than anything else) and then surrounding him with great shooters and defenders is as good as any formula to win imo.



Therefore with players like Rondo who are clearly never going to be superstars, I hold it against them even more that he can't shoot well. It really messes up Boston's spacing and offensive flow at times. For example, despite his horrible Orlando series, I'd rather have Mo Williams this past year than Rondo(although I could see Rondo improving in the future).




Theres absolutely no way that the PG position is important enough for 7 or 8 of them to be included among the top 30 players...absolutely no way.



CP3, Deron, Chauncey, Rubio, Parker, Harris, Nash, and Nelson in some order would make up my top 8. I think Rondo belongs in the next tier with guys like Calderon, Williams, Rose, Kidd, Miller, etc. I'd actually put Baron below all of them....just not a fan at all of his ultra inconsistent game.

Also, Calderon brought the "3 fingers in the ayer" move to the NBA.

you knew assani would find a way to have rubio in the top tier

Anyone think brandon jennings will be good next year? Like, rubio/god-esque good?

Give me a prove, that CP3, Deron, Chauncey, Parker, Rondo, Jameer, Harris and one of Arenas, Nash, Calderon, Kidd, Williams, Miller and Rose can't be top 30.

Didn't Calderon just have the greatest season from the FT line in the history of the league though?