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06-06-2009 , 04:41 PM
seeing all these pg lists just makes me more pissed at monta ellis now
06-06-2009 , 04:41 PM
Who are the bottom 3 of starting PGs in the NBA?

Fisher
Telfair
Beno Udrih

?
06-06-2009 , 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by iamawesomer
seeing all these pg lists just makes me more pissed at monta ellis now
totally forgot about him, if he comes back strong he could def be better than rondo as well
06-06-2009 , 04:44 PM
where's odell when you need him to say that all these lists are bogus without iverson in them
06-06-2009 , 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by C-Viggity
If I were taking a player for one year (next year), it would look like this

1. CP3
2. Deron
3. Chauncey
4. Parker
5. Jameer
6. Harris
7. Rondo
8. Kidd
9. Davis
10. Nash

But I think after 7 it's all kind of meh
Looks like our list is closer than you thought.

I can see Harris and Nash where you put them (I prob put Nash too high) but I strongly disagree on Baron Davis. He's always injured, he dribbles too much, has horrible shot selection, is inefficient, disrupts the flow on offense too much.

I think Rose needs more love. Guy is KJ reincarnate. I would take him over Devin Harris for next year.
06-06-2009 , 04:45 PM
We all (well at least me) forgot about Arenas.
How would you guys rank him?
06-06-2009 , 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by G0tGame?
We all (well at least me) forgot about Arenas.
How would you guys rank him?
I don't think of him as a PG but I guess he is
06-06-2009 , 04:46 PM
Calderon looks worse on defense than he really is because the Raptors have awful help defense, so everytime someone blows by him it results in a layup. When someone blows by Rondo, he has to go through the great wall of China to get anything.
06-06-2009 , 04:47 PM
Baron Davis is a fat piece of **** and shouldn't even be considered for top 20 PG's in the NBA.
06-06-2009 , 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by BLdSWtTRs
Looks like our list is closer than you thought.

I can see Harris and Nash where you put them (I prob put Nash too high) but I strongly disagree on Baron Davis. He's always injured, he dribbles too much, has horrible shot selection, is inefficient, disrupts the flow on offense too much.

I think Rose needs more love. Guy is KJ reincarnate. I would take him over Devin Harris for next year.
I don't watch enough west coast games probably, so I tend to misrank a lot of west coast players and admit that.

I definitely wouldn't have Rose in the convo with Harris going in to next year, although Rose certainly could be good
06-06-2009 , 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyingRat
Calderon looks worse on defense than he really is because the Raptors have awful help defense, so everytime someone blows by him it results in a layup. When someone blows by Rondo, he has to go through the great wall of China to get anything.
This is a good point, but you can easily go to level #3 here and say it's easy to say Calderon is bad on defense just because his team defense is really bad and you can kind of ignore the fact that he's also just plain bad individually
06-06-2009 , 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyingRat
Calderon looks worse on defense than he really is because the Raptors have awful help defense, so everytime someone blows by him it results in a layup. When someone blows by Rondo, he has to go through the great wall of China to get anything.
this seems logical and is prob a good point imo
06-06-2009 , 04:48 PM
Calderon also played on an injured leg most of the season so he didn't have the quickness to guard anyone except maybe Anthony Johnson.
06-06-2009 , 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by C-Viggity
Who are the bottom 3 of starting PGs in the NBA?

Fisher
Telfair
Beno Udrih

?
Fisher is easily worst starting PG in the NBA.
Luke Ridnour can be #4.
06-06-2009 , 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Chilltown
Baron Davis is a fat piece of **** and shouldn't even be considered for top 20 PG's in the NBA.
ur just mad he doesn't play for ur favorite team the lakers and plays for their cross town rivals
06-06-2009 , 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by EPiPeN11
ur just mad he doesn't play for ur favorite team the lakers
this made me lol
06-06-2009 , 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by C-Viggity
This is a good point, but you can easily go to level #3 here and say it's easy to say Calderon is bad on defense just because his team defense is really bad and you can kind of ignore the fact that he's also just plain bad individually
I agree he's not that good a defender but he would look a whole lot better in a system that protected him a little.
06-06-2009 , 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyingRat
I agree he's not that good a defender but he would look a whole lot better in a system that protected him a little.
Calderon's size and strength makes it near impossible for him to ever be able to guard a lot of the NBA's big physical PGs like Billups or whoever (in any system)
06-06-2009 , 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by tbach24
That quote came out in an Adande article IIRC, or some other rando at ESPN, the thesis of which is "wow look how much Rondo has matured since that moment that happened a long time ago" and also those Rondo on the trade block rumors are now defunct.

C'mon guise, youse your heads...like Danny Ainge the GGMOAT would trade the best young PG in the world.
The quote is also from Rondo's rookie ****ing year...
06-06-2009 , 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Thremp
Why is this?

I think Rondo is quite good. Maybe not top 30 (I'm too lazy/incompetent to go through and see which positions are deep enough to push him out of the top 6 PGs and remain in the top 30), but I though he was def in the elite level of point guards behind CP3/Deron/Some other noobs I can't think of cause I've been drinking all morning.
To be fair, I will point out that Rondo is an extremely polarizing player for this thread and I am one of the posters here who likes his game the least. So I very well could be wrong.

However, imo for non-superstar players(for the sake of this conversation, I consider a player a "superstar" if I could reasonably envision him winning a title as the best player on his team) the ability to knock down open shots is one of the most important skill sets because in addition to the obvious benefits, it has a great affect on floor spacing and opening up space for your superstar to create.

Just think about how most successful NBA teams try to build once they get a superstar. In both Cleveland and Orlando, their first goal was to put shooters around their superstar. And even in N.O. where it hasn't worked out as nicely, they brought in Peja(career 40+% 3pt shooter), Butler(career 37.1% 3pt shooter), and Posey(career 35.3% 3pt shooter but thats weighed down by his early seasons, hes been noticeably better the past few years) right after they found out that CP3 was a stud.

I'm certainly not saying that its the only reliable formula for a title, but the idea of getting a superstar(often times this has more to do with luck than anything else) and then surrounding him with great shooters and defenders is as good as any formula to win imo.



Therefore with players like Rondo who are clearly never going to be superstars, I hold it against them even more that he can't shoot well. It really messes up Boston's spacing and offensive flow at times. For example, despite his horrible Orlando series, I'd rather have Mo Williams this past year than Rondo(although I could see Rondo improving in the future).




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Originally Posted by G0tGame?
I think hes about 30th.
PG position is pretty deep in the elite, so he might be 7th or 8th and still be top 30.
Theres absolutely no way that the PG position is important enough for 7 or 8 of them to be included among the top 30 players...absolutely no way.



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Originally Posted by C-Viggity
Name 7 PGs better than Rondo going in to 2009-2010

1. CP3
2. Deron
3. Chauncey
who are 4-5-6-7
CP3, Deron, Chauncey, Rubio, Parker, Harris, Nash, and Nelson in some order would make up my top 8. I think Rondo belongs in the next tier with guys like Calderon, Williams, Rose, Kidd, Miller, etc. I'd actually put Baron below all of them....just not a fan at all of his ultra inconsistent game.
06-06-2009 , 04:53 PM
Also, Calderon brought the "3 fingers in the ayer" move to the NBA.

06-06-2009 , 04:53 PM
you knew assani would find a way to have rubio in the top tier
06-06-2009 , 04:58 PM
Anyone think brandon jennings will be good next year? Like, rubio/god-esque good?
06-06-2009 , 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Assani Fisher
Theres absolutely no way that the PG position is important enough for 7 or 8 of them to be included among the top 30 players...absolutely no way.
Give me a prove, that CP3, Deron, Chauncey, Parker, Rondo, Jameer, Harris and one of Arenas, Nash, Calderon, Kidd, Williams, Miller and Rose can't be top 30.
06-06-2009 , 05:00 PM
Didn't Calderon just have the greatest season from the FT line in the history of the league though?

      
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