I understand this.

But could you imagine the numbers Jordan, Kobe, LeBron, etc would put up on those Minnesota teams? He was a great player and I am definitely underrating KG here, but I just feel like every time you see a great player have a ****ty supporting cast, his numbers go up considerably. Kobe had his #s with great teams, same with the others. You don't have teams putting out their all to guard KG when he is on Minnesota because they don't have to to win, and KG is also getting the ball and knowing he has to do everything for the team.

I dunno, I'm likely just underrating KG, because I didn't watch him basically at all when he was at Minnesota

Why is ATL such a large(9 points) favorite over Miami tonight? Kbfc's model has the game at 5, which is more what I expected. Am I missing out on some info here?

yea but KG's defense > KG's offense and the numbers you're talking about don't really demonstrate any of that.

Meh, bump because I hate when I have the last post on a page and nobody sees it.

yeah. robinson/duncan won w/a pretty pedestrian supporting cast. granted that was the lockout year but they weren't really challenged in the playoffs

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Put Shaq in his prime with any top 100 player and this is going to happen, right?

Boston homers....are they just gonna rest everyone tonight against Philly?

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Oh btw right side:

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assani, is wade playing? did speaouilstra say he was resting players?

sorry for all the betting talk with these last few posts, but some pretty interesting line moves...

Philly opened at -2, now up to -6

LA opened at -8, now down to -6

not necessarily


edit: not a true contender anyway

I'd say it depends a bit on the player. Most people consider guys like Ben Wallace, Dennis Rodman, Shawh Marion to be top 100 of the past ~25 years, but I don't know if one of them plus Shaq is an auto contender.

Shaq in his prime will always be one of my favorite things about the nba

One of the areas KG I feel people underrate KG is his BBall IQ. It's part of why he's such a great defender, locker room guy, and such a great passer.

And that Minnesota team was LOL bad, worse than NO sans CP3. Without him they'd struggle to win 20..

wade sitting probably?

Oh ok, yeah figured I was missing something obvious. Not having league pass for these past few weeks is totally throwing me out of the loop with regards to keeping up to date on all this stuff......

okay fine this is mine too. i like all those guys and i dont know who they are playing so nobody can be mad at me. i dont like this public voting sh.it, i know assani likes me but man now that he put capone over me, man i put a 6 rebirth curse on capone, later retracted, but he got one, and now assani picks him over me. wat. man assani was WAS my pick to go all the way. forget it now bubs lucky if you come back a human man. lol. oh fu.ck it.

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also I'm not usually one to go overboard with the whole "making your teammates better" thing, but KG definitely makes his teammates better, especially on D(but also with his passing on O).

I remember that I had it rated (for the sake of our draft).

Duncan>Admiral>Hakeem>KG

I think it's hard to argue one greater than the other... they are all so good.

if it makes you feel better, if you make it to the 2nd round I"ll be picking you over either of your two possible matchups.

I'm a fan of America, so Robinson>Duncan>KG>Hakeem

He rarely gets mentioned in the "best passing big men" arguments, even though imo he actually is the best I've seen.