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07-07-2008 , 11:29 AM

#14826

ClarkNasty

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BTW, Donyell Marshall is an absolutely awesome pick.

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07-07-2008 , 11:38 AM

#14827

capone0

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I think Donyell would have gone much higher if he wasn't so inconsistant. With Golden State his TS% was in the 47% range, when in Tor and Utah, it was in the 55-59% range. Defensively, his #s were all over the place as well. He's a solid rebounder and decent passer and pretty solid value at this point.

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07-07-2008 , 11:40 AM

#14828

ClarkNasty

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Defensively, his #s were all over the place as well.

I'm willing to accept that this is because most defensive numbers are very flawed and basically suck.

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07-07-2008 , 11:40 AM

#14829

ClarkNasty

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As in, he didn't randomly go from suck to awesome year to year. Dude was a pretty good defender.

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07-07-2008 , 11:42 AM

#14830

NopairParker

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Originally Posted by ClarkNasty

I'm willing to accept that this is because most defensive numbers are very flawed and basically suck.

Along with a lot of other stats.

Defensive stats are the most tho

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07-07-2008 , 11:47 AM

#14831

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his D #s aren't all over the place, really. They were just bad in GS and dramatically improved the second he left, just like the TS%. Those GS teams were amongst the very worst in the league defensively. Look at the '97 team.. not a DRtg lower than 109 (Donyell). His first solid DRtg score of 104 was on the 20th worst defense, and then his great 98 score was when GS turned it around defensively (10th in defensive efficiency). DRtg is extremely team oriented and you need to compare individual DRtgs to the team to get a better idea of where he's at. Tim Duncan wouldn't be posting 94s on the '97 Warriors, all else being equal.

That team was poison. I'm sure some of his #s improving was a result of just betting better, but I think a lot had to do with getting the F out of dodge.

Just taking a quick scan, Donyell's DRtg was never more than his team's. When he had a 105 in Toronto, they were 24th in the league with 108.7.

Dude rules.

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07-07-2008 , 01:55 PM

#14832

van_exel_fan

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Originally Posted by Seadood228

Ok now that Bobbo has finished his writeup (which was vv good), I'll comment more on Nene.

His weight - This was only an issue at the beginning of 2006/7. After blowing out his knee the previous season, he came in at ~280lbs, which was 15-20 lbs over his normal weight. He was back at 265 by the middle of November, and actually got as low as 245 over the course of the season. Towards the end he was getting pushed around by larger centers, and made it a point to come in heavier the next season. When he showed up at 265 the next year, people thought he was overweight, which wasn't the case. So his weight isn't nearly the issue that people make it out to be.

His defense - Perhaps I shouldn't metrics that compare him to TD and KG, because it wasn't my intention to say that he's on that level. But he's definitely an excellent defender, particularly in the post. The numbers are there, and from what I've seen I agree. Check out the job he did on Timmay in the playoffs last year. My favorite sequences start around 2:40. Notice how he doesn't over commit, very Duncan-esque.

His offense - Here's where I really think he's good. Simply put, I can't think of any other big man who plays as well as he does off the ball, perhaps Tyson Chandler. He's the perfect teammate, because he's great at setting picks and finding space when his man leaves him. Sure he'll never be considered an elite player with those types of skills, but then again we aren't talking about a first option. As a 3rd option or lower, he's perfect because all he does is make his teammates better. Here's a video that shows what I'm trying to explain. Notice how he moves off the ball, when his man leaves, he puts himself in a position to get an easy bucket. Also notice how effective Nene is after setting picks, and how quickly he gets to the rim coming off of them. If you can find someone who does this better let me know. I can think of a few, but not many and none drafted in the last three rounds. All this and he's one of the few current guys in the NBA with a low post game--he's not strictly a garbage man like so many defensive big men taken recently.

Bobbo mentioned his breakout season (@23), but that's only half the story. Nene was fat for the first part of that year, and improved as the season wore on. This is evidenced by his post-ASB numbers, where he put up 16PP/36 (14PPG) on 70% TS!

Nene fits PERFECTLY with Bobbo's team because he's got great passing bigs and great PnR guards. Shaq/Nene is just going to be murder down low, and DC/Nene will be no picnic either. Nene's power and off-ball skills will make it a very easy bucket if defenders double off him, which will make scoring quite a bit easier. I know Bobbo wanted Chris Gatling, but Nene's skillset is much better suited to his team. Chris was more of a creator and tended to play on his own. Nene is the type of player that needs and uses his teammates to put himself in high percentage situations, and Bobbo's team is just the type to do that.

Here's another vid from the DEN/SA playoff series, check out the D.

More Nene defense. Now this is how you defend a pick and roll.

Yo don't give Bobbo the championship just yet. Your post is FILLED with logical fallacies. You are overrating this guy to an obscene degree.

He's not really even that good on his current team, let alone a team built of the best players from the last 30 years...

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07-07-2008 , 01:57 PM

#14833

van_exel_fan

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Originally Posted by kidcolin

oh hear we go

Buddy, you go to college?

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07-07-2008 , 02:18 PM

#14834

van_exel_fan

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Originally Posted by xorbie

I've been waiting for Mo Williams to go for the last 3 rounds now. So underrated.

I actually don't think that you are leveling...

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07-07-2008 , 02:20 PM

#14835

van_exel_fan

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(whoops)

Last edited by van_exel_fan; 07-07-2008 at 02:21 PM. Reason: bad post (methinks)

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07-07-2008 , 02:29 PM

#14836

van_exel_fan

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Clark, sorry, drinking fwiw...just trying to get into a debate......

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07-07-2008 , 02:57 PM

#14837

van_exel_fan

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Nobody here?

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07-07-2008 , 03:58 PM

#14838

Assani Fisher

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Originally Posted by NopairParker

I love the robert horry pick, I kknew he was going to be taken anytime now.

He brings a lot more to the table then his stats show.

The young pick is questionable, but I guess he does show potential or what not. Was there some kind of fear that someone else was going to draft him ? couldnt you wait till 10th round to get him.

By the way I have what you guys like to call " facemelter " In store, but am not sure when to select him. Im not quite sure if hes in anyones radar or not.

I have no clue about where others would've taken him, but since I feel as if he should've gone a while ago I didn't want to risk it.

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07-07-2008 , 04:25 PM

#14839

Dudd

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Originally Posted by NopairParker

By the way I have what you guys like to call " facemelter " In store, but am not sure when to select him. Im not quite sure if hes in anyones radar or not.

Don't worry, we'll let you know when we've skipped you.

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07-07-2008 , 04:27 PM

#14840

nath

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I'm debating between two guys for my next pick, so if one of them goes I'll be able to have a pick up very quickly

If both of them go I might slit my wrists

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07-07-2008 , 04:35 PM

#14841

kidcolin

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horizon never posted Horry in the main thread. I just PMed FaDi. Hopefully he's got internet in his jail bait infested apartment in Thailand.

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07-07-2008 , 04:36 PM

#14842

KLJ

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at this point, its extremely unlikely either get taken

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07-07-2008 , 05:06 PM

#14843

Omar Comin

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Originally Posted by kidcolin

horizon never posted Horry in the main thread. I just PMed FaDi. Hopefully he's got internet in his jail bait infested apartment in Thailand.

wat

let me go look at random lists on basketball reference

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07-07-2008 , 05:13 PM

#14844

Dudd

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In Thailand, there is no jailbait, amiright?

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07-07-2008 , 05:21 PM

#14845

BobboFitos

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Fadi, michael adams has already been drafted

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07-07-2008 , 05:23 PM

#14846

Shark Doctor

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Originally Posted by BobboFitos

Fadi, michael adams has already been drafted

LOL - this.

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07-07-2008 , 05:25 PM

#14847

MEb

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I deleted Fadi's pick for him, hope he sees he needs to repick.

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07-07-2008 , 05:27 PM

#14848

capone0

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i kinda want to read what he said about the guy i just drafted ^^.

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07-07-2008 , 05:31 PM

#14849

Cancuk

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Of course i've said stuff wrong, however i'm not wrong nearly as much as most of the people in this thread. Also, I am def smarter than most of the people in this thread as well. I also probably have more money that I earned off poker (obv not a trustfund baby) than almost everyone posting in this thread as well.

Infact if you guys were in my position, you'd probably be bragging way more than I do.

/end brag

This is the most outrageously douchey thing i've ever read. Wow.