You have this way backwards. As someone who watches 70+ Pistons games a year, I can tell you without a doubt that Rip is a better shooter because of his off-the-ball movement. When he is forced to create for himself, his shooting suffers big time.

God help me if you're Rick Sund.

defensive wings in this draft are

Michael
Pippen
Prince
Battier
Bowen
Bell
AK47
Ron Ron
Christie
Eddie Jones

Kobe
Mckey
Nance
Robertson
Pressey
Moncrief
Posey

I personally also like:

Manu
Iggy
Marion
Gerald
PP
LBJ

Again I'm probally missing some 80s guys.

Posey is a very good defender. I watched the Celtics for 70+ games this year plus the playoffs. People forget that he is a big 3. He can cover 2's or 4's, but he isn't built with the quickness to cover quick 2's like Kobe or Wade. I thought he covered LeBron better than anyone else I've seen cover him. On occassion he can cover a 4, but does a better job on the Marions than true post guys like Gasol or Brand.

Is he a great defender? Yes. he is also a great team defender and takes charges better than almost anyone. Is he one of the absolute top few in the league? No. Artest, Bowen (well a couple years ago), Kobe a few years ago when he was trying, maybe a few more are better.

But to say Bell is significantly better is a not so clear. Bell is smaller and quicker. He covers a guy like Wade or Kobe better. But he would have no chance against LeBron. I would probably put them in the same vicinity, but just under the top few guys.

I didn't even catch that. Its amazing that Posey is on that list.

God this draft desparately needs picks.

lol, just got a sweet shot of how horrible posey is on offense when he's forced to do anything other than spot up shoot.

Playing on the Celtics is way more important in this format than offensive skill.

I think Posey has a league worst type of shooting % from inside the arc last few years.

Posey? Nance?

You must not watch denver play. Iverson is actually a really good passer.

once again i disagree with NPP. bowen has tremendous value in this league / any league.

of those 4, battier is the most useful, and i dont think it's THAT close.

Remember that clark is a bulls fan, and posey is the antichrist to the bulls.

Yea Clark is the one being biased about Posey...

+1. I mean this is a silly statement. Yes, Posey isa better shooter, but come on, there are a bunch of other facets to winning a game.

No, the only thing that matters is hitting open three pointers.

We went over this Bobbo, get with the program.

He is? Why? This is seriously the first I've heard of this.

Heat/Bulls?

They're saying they're not elite shooters, which is true, they're NOT elite shooters.

lebron

Nance and Robertson are bigmen.

and Lebron is probably above average but not in this group whatsoever.

because he tooled on deng and hinrich

really the only reason big dog got the locker cancer label was bc of his holdout and subsequent insane rookie deal. the deal was the catalyst to rookie salaries being capped.

i would imagine his holdout cause animosity from vets and his contract really pissed off following rookies who would never make that much.

on the court i always thought he wasnt really chucker despite scoring so much. 4 ast aint bad.

wat

it's tbach again. just scanned through this thread and have some more thoughts:

1. jesus, posey is not as good as josh smith. but who would i rather have? posey AINEC. posey isn't good offensively, but j-smoove hurts your team offensively. like really bad. posey's maybe a slight negative, but in a league with this much depth and with so many guys who can score and not turn the ball over like j-smoove does, i don't like him.

2. kidcolin, i probably disagree with 80% of your posts too.

3. i don't think clark has ever answered a question i have asked him. it's not like he ignores them, he just answers them in a way that either is (a) incomprehensible (IE doesnt make sense gramatically to the point where it's illegible) or (b) answers the question in a way that doesn't make sense.

most recent example was (paraphrased):
tbach: "Clark, what player picked after Posey would fit better on my team?"
clark: "I think lots of players are better than Posey"

great posting.


4. the amount that posey is underrated is sickening. i'm going to risk sounding like mark jackson, but posey does soooo many little things. and yes, he's up there as one of the best perimeter defenders in the nba today.