alright, I've been away for about 20 hours which is a ton of missed posts in this thread.....I apologize in advance for the fact that I'm probably going to make like 30 posts in a row as I read through everything I missed and I may mention stuff thats already been mentioned, but theres no way I'm reading through everything and then going back and reading it again to quote stuff I want to reply to....

As would I or anyone who knew basketball.

However for Seadood argument sake, Shaq was a very overrated passer. He only averaged 2.7 assists for his career.

And McHale who is known as a blackhole, averaged 2.0 assists for his career.

I think Shaq was a very overrated passer, and McHale was a very underrated passer, and I am using stats to back it up using the Seadood theorm.

Yeah I'm gonna do the same thing tomorrow morning. Except replace 20 hours with like 40. And by 30 posts with 1 MEGA POST (literally will be a couple thousand words).

More importantly, I'm on deck, and have a guy I want, but I'm very open to trade talks. Anyone who wants to trade up PM me.

Mano -

yea, Malone had a tendency to make ppl look small. Detlef could play inside. Not against Malone, but who really could?

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LOL@ bringing u McHale here. E Pip.

that seatle team with GP, Kemp and Depleph was pretty sick. too bad they ran into jordan.

was wondering when b-diddy would go. i love his skills and physical tools obviously but he's a health risk and he's not terribly efficient. if you can convince him to stop chucking up 5 3's a game, he'd be even more awesome than he is now. worthy, bosh and b-diddy is a v nice athletic team that will be able to run and score at will.

sheesh, love that the same people who bashed kiki love aguirre.

Kiki >>> Aguirre offensively
Aguirre>Kiki defensively

Also, lol at Aguirre being the best pure score on the board for a long time when Kiki is hugely ahead in all metrics such as TS%, EFG%, ORtg, OWS.

While I realize he put up nice bulk stats on bad teams, he did it by having almost chucker level efficiency in comparison.

agreed completely

LOLOLOLOLOLOL. Wasn't this one of your main points throughout the thread that you brought up countless times? And you were "just estimating" when the rule was implemented and then using that as part of your argument?

This one is easy.

Shaq was a post-up guy who played with a bunch of 3pt shooters for pretty much his entire career. He had less assists because his first pass wasn't always the guy shooting, as the ball would get swung around to the weak side. The NBA doesn't count asists like hockey, but if they did guys like Timmay and Shaq would have much more. KG is a little different because he played a little further from the basket, which is why his assists are higher.

Your boy rarely passed out of double-teams, he usually got into his offense right away, and wasn't the best at finding the open guy out of the double.... plus the double rarely came from the strong side (Bird's man).

I pick in 8 picks, want to move up. PM me if interested.

the "estimate, nobody corrects me, I must be right" line of thought.

Classic making crap up. Nice round up dude.

Just look at AST% it's not close. And part of Shaq's excellent passing was his use of the post reset which helped disrupt double teaming.

This is some quality work here imo.

But I backed it up using stats, and ignored ur reasons of logic, like how u ignored my reasons of logic when I said that McHale always took the toughest post player (and Barkley likley took the weakest) and McHale a lot of the times guarded SF's as well.

So um ya, Seadood theorem McHale is not much worse at passing than Shaq.

MEb,

was never really bashing Kiki. I think he went about where he should. I just question the pick on YOUR team. You're underrating rebounds/passing as well.

Assani,

It's MAJOR gayballs to carpet bomb this thread when all you do is have pointless arguments with Epip and egg him on. It's borderline trolling just knock it off and respond the real meat.

My grandfather had season tickets dating way back to those late-70s/early-80s teams, and he would always rave about Mark Aguirre. Was wondering where he'd go after the Cummings pick.

D-E-M-O-N-S

I would like to trade both of my players, and the rest of my draft for McHale, if possible.

Who are ur 2 players? I will take it under consideration

+1

You backed it up using two posts from a basketball forum and a playoff game against Nique where Bird and Nique were lighting it up. I didn't think that needed explanation.

Ok I am seriously done with this now, sorry to clog up the thread.

I think this is pretty funny....

You're arguing against someone who watched McHale play. And you're arguing by using other message board posts(from people who may, like you, have not seen him play).

That'd be like me using someone else's post in this thread as proof of my opinion.

Wasn't referring to you in particular. Moreso to the fact that one of the biggest critics of Kiki was the guy who took Aguirre.

Also, I guess all I can say is wait to see how it all plays out. I have a plan for my team and Kiki fits into it well. As long as other parts fall into place like i hope/think they will I should be looking good.

A ton of people have said McHale guarded other teams SF's a decent amount of the time.

Not sure what I think about Camby. I think hes overrated definitely on defense by the casual fan. And he isn't very efficient at all. But he does rebound and he still is a good defender. At this point I guess its a decent pick, although I cna think of a few players(who I will give absolutey no hints about) who I would've liked better there.