Paul Pierce has better numbers than Sid, and he can shoot the three. No slouch on the defensive end either..

moses, chuck, drj, mcadoo, cheeks, toney, bobby jones.

boom.

This.

PP was obviously not even close to Sid defensively. Sid was 5 time all-nba and 5 time all-nba D and 2 time DPOY. PP is 3 time all-nba and 0 time all-D. Better #s maybe but not better peak.

With Hill and Nance, it's possible that their injuries would be less severe in our simulation. Moncrief's kneecaps were too high, causing inevitable cartiledge damage. A doctor predicted that he would only be able to play two years in the NBA. His career represents about the max you could get out of him, health-wise. I do agree that he was a great player during his prime, and was a very good pick.

Still looking to move up. PM if interested.

Yeah wasn't directing it towards you really.

Paul Pierce is an above average defender; Sidney Moncrief is very arguably the best wing defender of all time. Theres a huge huge difference there, and defense is half of the game. This would be like comparing Michael Jordan's offense to Chauncey Billup's offense imo(not a perfect comparison, but I needed to pick someone who was already drafted to not break the rules).

Offensively, Moncrief was significantly more efficient and only scored 4 or 5 points less per game. Moncrief had more assist, Pierce had more rebounds.

Moncrief's peak > Pierce's peak imo and I don't think its all that close. A better question would be to just ask who was better on offense because when you introduce defense it simply isn't close.

Moncrief is one of the few guys I might buy the "with today's medical advances his career would have been greatly extended" argument. The guy was in insanely good shape, before this was stressed, and this was before they could just "scope" your knees. Basically played with chronic pain, but was tough enough to handle it.

there's also many new techniques in cartilage replacement, and we forget that this is 25 years later. i really didn't want to open that can of worms though, i'm happy with 5 years and didn't want his worth as a player being judged on whether or not modern medicine can help him.

the reason is that we're sampling all of these players in their peak. this alone means that the strength/athleticism is going to go through the roof (and the players that lack this are going to be hurt that much more). i don't think you realize the absolute wealth of talent in the player pool.

i wouldn't be surprised if there are 150+ eligible all-stars, and for every team to have 3-4 in their physical prime? crazy scenario

cmon guys, its either ePippen or ePeen

I can't drop names, but the point is that teams with superstars like Stockton/Malone frequently have a mediocre third option and then nothing, besides on some all time great teams.

I think it's pretty easy to imagine a team in this draft having at least one stud offensive player (say MJ or Magic or Larry etc) and another good offensive player (can't name names but obv there are a lot of guys out there with 20+ pt seasons) or a team with two very good/great offensive players (like say TMac and Parker or Scottie and KJ or Amare and Price etc).

On top of that, only all time great teams can get two superstars and then get a deep lineup around them. All teams in this draft will have 3rd and 4th options that were 2nd options on their teams. Guys off the bench that are solid starters and borderline all stars. It just really hurts more to have a guy like Peja out there, moreso than it helps to have a guy like Chauncy, imo.

I did the calculations there are like 130 available guys with 1+ all-star appearances. Additionally there are some defensive specialists, so you have 130+30 or so specialists for 160 top level players so about 4 on each team.

DTEMP ONE TIME

+1

Is seadood the only one who knows flyingmoose's pick?

edit: nm hes on.

Sorry guys, I've been sick as hell and sleeping all day. I'll have my pick up shortly.

HOLLAAAA

ask and ye shall recieve

It's gonna balance itself out. There are only so many shots to go around, so people will be adding plenty of defenders.

We might have 5 more picks tonight, the next 4 dudes after dtemp pick are all on here now!

palpable

YES

(as long as dtemp doesn't steal my pick)

Suspense sucks.

Carlos Boozer

writeup coming

I feel like crap right now.

Sorry guys, no trades.