I concur.

I've got to find time to read this whole thread. If it's half as entertaining as the last couple of pages, it will be worth it.

wow, huge discussion over timelimits because of me

to address some of the concerns people had:

a) I am always here 9-4 monday through friday, so will make picks in a timely fashion if during those hours
b) I am always away Saturday/Sunday, so will make my pick first thing Monday morning if my turn comes up over the weekend
c) If I will for some reason be gone more than Sat/Sun, then I will post in here first about it
d) If my turn is getting close on Friday, I will pm someone (who should I pm?) an ordered list of people to pick if my turn comes up before Sunday 10am. I will only do this with somewhere around 5-10 players...if more than that, then it'll have to wait until Monday morning, as you can't expect me to make huge lists of players to take and still be competitive
e) i misjudged friday...thought there were more than 6 people before me so didn't think my turn would come up until last night/this morning

Solid pick to solidify the back court but I'm not sure he would have been taken by the same pick 3rd round. Not a lot of flash on this team so far.

Front court?

disagree...sure i coulda picked someone who gets more like 20-25ppg instead of 18, but they wouldn't be near as efficient or as good of a rebounder and defender

and in this league, with these stacked teams, your 20-25ppg inefficient scorers won't do near that...u can't just put 5 inefficient 20ppg players on a team and expect them to all hit 20ppg

he's top 30 all-time in fg%, ts, win-shares, defensive win-shares, rebounding and is a 4-time all-defensive team selection

i think the stats show he's not a reach at all

steroid boy already confirmed he was taking him if available in this round

Not why everyone thinks Buck is a great pick. He is an 18/12 player from 24-27, then has a sharp decline and drops all the way down to 8 ppg by age 32.

He was in my top 5 players avaialble.

Because he's still efficient, good on D, and a good rebounder. Besides, people are picking guys who are pretty much done when they hit 30 anyway.

he still gets close to 10rpg and his all-defense team selections were from 26-30, so even if his rpg/ppg dropped some, his defense only solidified and his efficiency also only improved (over 60% at 30/31 years old!!!)

just cause other players on his team got more touches doesn't mean he declined...his defense and efficiency improved, so i'd argue he was around the same at that age as earlier

ppg isn't everything, as these are stacked teams, so everyone can't get the points they do now on these teams...efficiency, defense and rebounding are all important

Also I definitely did not see him play until well past his prime, if ever, but the fact that he shot 55% from the field and 66% from the line tells me he was getting a lot of easy ones.

he was the 9th best pf of all time according to that vote that someone linked earlier fwiw

lol yes good catch

It's a good thing dunks are worth just as much as 17 footers, then.

I think we might see a couple blockbusters, but IMO we'll probably end up seeing 4th round players and lower being swapped.

I like the trade ideas, but there's no way players will be handed back and forth 1 for 1. There would probably be some sort of pick compensation.

So...he's a really good role player. I think it's an alright matchup with Zo, but not perfect. Zo, while a solid first option, isn't that great without someone who can score playing along side him (not necessarily inefficiently, there are still some players left who shot a lot and were good doing it, and did other things well too). Buck was low usage his entire career (only thing I can go off of, having never seen him play) indicating that he wasn't a go-to scorer. It does add some to your defense, but with Zo, one of the best interior defenders in NBA history, it's not really that necessary. Just my .02.

I wonder how many picks we'll get in the next 8 hours.

ill have a pick up within the hour.

My take on Buck Williams, who was one of my favorite players growing up.

Of all the NBA players I've seen play here's how I'd rank them as far as Post-Defense is concerned.

1. Ewing
2. Undrafted Player
3. Rodman with the Bulls (not Pistons)
4. Undrafted Player
5. Buck

In other words, his post defense was the stuff of legends. With one of the great help defenders in Mourning as a wingman, this creates an excellent defensive front court.

Offensively I feel Buck's numbers are a bit overrated due to playing with a couple great penetrators. Buck didn't have a back to the basket game and had absolutely NO jump shot, but obv he was great without the ball. As his numbers suggest, he's definitely not the type of player to hurt you in the offensive department. With Buck, you are going to get a lot of easy buckets if a double-team comes, and lots of putbacks... but you won't get someone who can manufacture scores.

The bottom line is that Buck could be a great pick, depending on who else will be around him... hmm that sounds like 90% of the picks so far.

my point was that even if y'all did make the change, no one yet has gone that much longer than what you are proposing. Also, if you kick out the people that aren't contributing then you will not be able to have Bynum type laughs anymore. Bad picks (maybe not that LOL) have provided more of the better discussion in this thread.

I wasn't insinuating anything, just wondering aloud.

Good pick, Buck + Zo is the nuts

i'll set line at 3.5

The Buck pick is solid.

I think the better question is where does he rank in all time goggle wearers?

1. Kareem
2. Buck
3 + 4 are players I can't name
5. Rambis.