I don't think people are hating on your pick nearly as much as you think. In my opinion, it's more a reflection of your first pick. It's really hard to find a big man that is a defensive stalwart, shoots efficiently, AND scores at a relatively high volume. JO at least has two of the three.

JO in 02-03 TS% .539
Pacers TS% .521

JO in 03-04 TS% .489
Pacers TS% .500

JO in 04-05 TS% .520
Pacers TS% .534


So in all reality he was not consistently higher when we look at a more clear way of judging efficiency. This is made even worse when he was supposed to be one of the best offensive options on the team. It's rare that a good offensive player is worse than team average when it comes to efficiency, as he's supposed to be better than his teammates are.

I can see your point and the short peak is what kinda made me meh about it also. Honestly, I was looking at a lot of the points that went (Billups, Paker, Hardaway, KJ) in the hope that one would be around for me. Once they all went I was praying Mullin would fall to me but he got snapped up a few picks before me.

I had it between Robertson and two other players who have yet to go and I really couldn't decide. I like the fact that Robetson can provide strong defense in the backcourt especially with so many other teams out there building up a strong backcourt early. I felt like Robertson gives me good defense and the ability to lock down the opposing teams best perimeter player while not being a total negative on offense.

Sorry to hijack this Kevin McHale thread, but it's nice to see a DePaul guy on the board.

I'd like to think I have an ingenious pick to make if I had either Kobe or MJ but we'll see.

yeah I was thinking the same thing at the time

Now I wish I'd entered this thing, I didn't think I knew enough about basketball to participate, but I feel I could be pretty competent

since i've been gone:
I was hoping to get Cummings with my next pick.
Alvin Robertson and Mullin are very good picks as well.
Boozer is ok, but bad with Dirk for aforementioned reasons. His injury problems are worrysome, and his skill set isn't exactly dominant or overpowering.
Not a fan of JON or Starbury.

In terms off actual judging and competition, just look at the Post-draft ideas thread, we are not going to have an 82-game regular season as that would be grossly impractical, instead it will basically just be like World Cup with eight groups of five teams each, a round robin to get down to 16 temas, and then best-of-seven series. So basically a four-game "regular season".

nozecandy is winning this thread

I would love to see the Starburry chat last for as long as Mchale vs the world, please make this happen HSP

Omg. Someone finally picks mullin. I have no idea how he fell so far. He was an original dream teamer and the best of the run tmc gang. Amazing shooter/scorer who could create his own shot. How did Peja get picked before him? He was also very crafty and intelligent on the court and made the best of his physical abilities.

re: his defense his main weakness was a lack of foot speed but he made up for it by being smart and also had quick hands (he got a bunch of steals). I'd like to say he was at least decent though I don't know what the state say.

Anyways awesome pick. <3 mullin.

I'm going to hit the sack in about 20 minutes. I'm not sure if it makes sense to PM someone my pick, since it's not looking like Alex will get his in this evening. Anyone object?

I will be up for several hours, you can PM me your stuff if you want.

I think if you pm your pick, it should be to someone not in the draft, or at least not picking soon. although if it is only one guy none of that matters

That's why I volunteered.

No, if their rookie year was 79-80 then they are eligible. Otherwise Magic and Bird wouldn't have been eligible.

Moncrief's prime ended when I was 4 years old. What do you think?

indeed. posted before I saw your response. browsing on my iPod is oh so slow

Maybe I've done a bad job of explaining this. I dunno because I feel like I've said it at lesat 5 times but people don't seem to get it.


It is ok to list a players name if you are making a point and need to list the name in order to make your point.

It is not ok to list a player(or hint at him in any possible way including his position/race/skillset/etc.) when you are trying to say that they should've been drafted, should be drafted soon, or would be a good fit being drafted by a certain team or at a certain pick.


Example:

-Before the Chris Mullin pick it would've been very much against the rules to say "I don't like the Peja pick because theres another guy who does what Peja does better still available imo."

-Before the Chris Mullin pick if you were in an argument about the quality of talent that Tim Hardaway had on his teams it would've been ok to list Chris Mullin(although you shouldn't comment on exactly how talented you think he is).


The reasons for this are simple. We all know the popular NBA players. Nobody here has never heard of Chris Mullin. However, we don't all have the same thoughts on the players. Therefore its ok to name the players before they are drafted. It is not ok to say when you think they should be drafted, what you think of their skillset, describe or compare their skillset, or make any post where the main focus is on an undrafted player.


If anyone still doesn't understand this then please let me know.

There was a stat mentioned here a few weeks ago where KG held the guy he was guarding to something lik 39% FG shooting this year. Do you still maintain that he doesn't play good one-on-one defense?

KG is 8th in Defensive Rating among active players and 2nd in Defensive Win Shares behind only Tim Duncan.

KG has twice led the league in PER and has the 4th highest PER among all active players behind only Shaq, Lebron, and Duncan.

Moreover hes led the league in rebounding for 4 straight years before this year.

And before this year KG had never missed more than 6 games in a season.

KG is not overrated. He ranks highly in nearly every single metric. One of the more complete players ever.

A while ago there was a thread where we all ranked our top 50 current NBA players. Bynum was very high on all of our lists. This was pre-injury, but I think it shows his potential.

Whomever compared JON's FG% to his teamates in order to make JON look good is wrong imo. Do it with eFG% or TS% and you'll see why.

the problem is that the names almost always carry implied meaning, like if you were to have said, "the 04 lakers were one of the best teams ever because they had Kobe, shaq, Malone and payton." it implies skill and that they are "good" in at least some sense. maybe I'm nitting it up here, but the grey area is tough IMO

I have been wanting to bring up a point about McHale, but I need to have my pick out there first.

Anyhow, I have PMed ZBT the pick.

[edit] At this point I have no backup if alex picks my guy, so apologies in advance if that slows the draft down.

[edit2]Also wanted to add my HSP announcement that my pick is going to absolutely suck, it will probably be the biggest reach in the draft thus far.

yes - I remember that thread very well...but I think this draft is a lil different when considering we're drafting players from 1980 to the present time...I guess its all perspective/opinion.