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Originally Posted by Phildo
his record was irrelevant to the point you were making. he was 3-1 against terrible competition with maybe a work or two thrown in and had no business fighting in the ufc from a talent/potential perspective. he was there because a lot of dumb people want to watch him fight.
The point that I was disagreeing with was the comparison of some hockey player dominating in a rec league and getting huge fan fair, which could be considered the equivalent of what Kimbo did in his backyard fights. However he had 4 PROFESSIONAL fights where he won 3 and the one he lost was under bizarre circumstances where reportedly when the card began Kimbo didn't even think he was going to fight because Shamrock got suspended for testing positive for Roids. It doesn't matter if his competition was terrible they were fellow pros and he beat 3 of them he didn't come straight from backyard brawls to the UFC.
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Originally Posted by Assani Fisher
Its funny that because Silva's standing game is so absurdly good it causes people to underrate his ground game.
Silva doesn't take fights to the ground, it's not that people underrate it, it's that people have rarely seen it and when we have it's because he was taken down. Henderson had Silva on his back for 4+ straight minutes in the 1st round of their fight and Silva did nothing to threaten him with submissions or even come close to getting back to his feet. Travis Lutter had him on his back for a good chunk of the 1st round and had full mount before Silva finally got to his feet with 20 or so seconds left in the round. Even in the 2nd round Lutter took Silva down but couldn't get a dominant position and Silva triangled him and then elbowed him into submission. And if you want to go back to his pride days Carlos Newton had Silva on his back for like 4 straight minutes and Takase had Silva on his back for 7 or 8 straight minutes before slapping a triangle on him. Anderson can be taken down and he can be controlled while on the ground, it has happened at least 4 times in his career, however he is pretty good at avoiding damage considering in 3 of those fights I just mentioned he came out on top.
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Originally Posted by Phildo
i am not a handicapper and am not going to throw around lines i made up but i don't think it would be hard to form an argument that koscheck was probably a bigger favorite than the betting market believed.
I agree, I would've been stunned if Daley won with the style Kos fought. I felt if Kos was dumb and stood with Daley for any significant amount of time he'd either get KO'd or competely tooled like he did against Alves. With Kos using his wrestling at the first chance he had Daley's only chance was to catch Kos on the way in, which he almost did in the 3rd with a nice knee but the odds of KOing somebody on their shoot are very small. That small chance, and the chance that Daley could potentially stuff 1 or 2 takedown attempts and keep it standing for a little longer is the only reason I give him about a 10% chance of beating Kos or any other elite wrestler for that matter.