Nate is a 55 pounder. Conor was on weight to cut for 55. Nate looked way BETTER against Johnson at 55 than he did this fight. Are you saying the 14 lbs of fat and water he didn't cut made Conor's left weaker? Are you saying he would have beat the in shape, full camp Diaz we saw in his last fight?

Then the ground game. Smh.

Conor has one real notable win and that was the single exchange with Aldo. He got bullied by two week Mendez until he gassed then faced Diaz, one of MANY durable fighters at 55 or 70, and lost on the feet before getting so outclassed on the ground it should not even be analyzed. He said he went into panic mode while Diaz went into autopilot. You know who else goes into autopilot there at 70? Lawler, condit, Rory, Nick, Edgar at 45 does also, **** even 55 Johnson survived a crisper Nate.

He is not in the goat convo, even over Aldo IMO. He was ambitious to move up, and it's admirable, but he did not accomplish it so it was a mistake. Everyone is acting like just because he tried he deserves credit as if he made it.

That I could buy, maybe, but by the same logic Conor might have folded sooner under Nate's power had they both cut.

If the fight was in another month at 155 instead of last night and Conor fought the same way it would have been the same result imo

I didn't see much to expect Nate to win that fight very often. Caught Conor's chin and that was that.

It's also fairly well understood (I thought) that Nate, and Nick, don't have tremendous power. Not to say that they couldn't, just that they use their superior technique and ridiculous conditioning to wear guys down. It's not unlike what Ali used to do in the 70s, no one every said he could hit like Foreman, but the accumulation of damage just broke guys down.

In that second round, Conor starts catching shots on the chin and he eats about a dozen of them clean. He just melts under the pressure.

imo it is more about conor not use to take hit from 25 pounds heavier guys.
I am not an expert in that field but 25 pound difference in the heavy weight is not the same in the lower class.

there is a reason as you go lower, the weight class get smaller.
Just something to think about.


basically this : imo Conor would of never beat RDA anyway for sure in my mind.
But i tough he had a chance vs nate tho if he could finish the fight early.
I am not sure conor would have the gas to go 5 round vs anybody.

sobering reality that connor lost. the fairy tale was indeed inspiring though.

I don't know. I'm just a joe with an opinion, but I estimate there are guys who hit harder at 55 than Nate did last night. I also was responding directly to the idea that the power of Conor didn't transfer to 70. Nate was not magically more durable because he didn't have time to cut weight. Again, I'm giving a fan, bias opinion from the perspective of a Diaz fan who was suspect of Conor and beginning to believe his hype. I don't think Diaz was hitting harder last night than he did against Johnson, and he hit Johnson more often and for longer---AND Johnson went through a cut as well which Conor did not.

I just see people reaching for "reasons" to defend the narrative of Mcgreggor being super durable, or Nate being a power puncher ever in history, or the weight difference (Nate is not a welterweight either) being a factor when maybe it's simply that mcgreggor is good not great and is not a competitor above 45 and may even get exposed there against a lot of opponents.

Conor lost but he brutalized Diaz with his left. At the post fight presser Diaz right side of his face was beaten to a pulp and that's after only 1 round.

Anyone know what happens with Miesha? She beat Holm so what happens next? Ronda Rousey?

Conor could beat Diaz the same way Condit beat Nick. It will be interesting to see how Conor responds to this. Will he become GSP post Serra and boring because afraid to lose or will he keep fighting the same way.

GSP did not put himself in risky situations, but he had WAY more tools than Conor. He met and beat top opponents at their skill set. How in the hell does mcgreggor play it safe when he can't wrestle or control anyone on the ground? What has he ever done to show he can last, never mind dominate and control five rounds like GSP did?

Good point. Conor probably a fraud.

He'll keep fighting the same way but he's going to be a guy who wins 1/2 the matchups at 155 and 2/3 of the elites at 145

He'll segue into a diff kind of draw, I envision another Chuck basically

eta: largely for the reason Johnny alludes to, what else is he going to do? Jab guys while holding a reach disadvantage?

We already saw against Siver and Holloway he took guys down when that was to his advantage. Those guys are straight stand up tho ftmp.

He's more like the 145 Rumble Johnson than some all-time great

This is apt. Basically he is on a timer to knock someone out. I don't see how else he wins against a prepared opponent, even if he wins that way often enough to be very relevant/dangerous. (At 45, maybe 55, MAYbe 70 with a lot of work)

UFC 200

Rousey vs Miesha

Conor vs Aldo

Redemption night. I'd def watch that.

I wonder if Conor's camp knew his cardio would be weak carrying the extra weight so they decided to go balls to the wall for a finish in R1 or early R2 knowing that if the fight went past 2 rounds they were screwed anyway.

Conor has been super fun to watch but people are just way to fast to throw GOAT around when they see something they like. Bones and the Spider way more deserving but whatever the hype is part of the excitement of the sport.

Bones is obviously the actual goat, but he's also a Mayweatherian douche so people hate to admit it.

I loved Dana on Sportscenter last night confirming Chael Sonnen's theory that conversations were had for GSP v Conor assuming Conor won last night, hence GSP's sitting ringside last night at his first UFC event in 3 years. What could've been...

Conor vs. GSP at 170 would have been an incredibly lol beatdown.

I thought he specifically denied that theory and said it wasn't true he just said he is in talks with GSP to possibly fight at 200

Would probably be an awful "GSP v. Diaz"-esque domination.

More like a lay-and-pray you mean. GSP didn't beat up anybody towards the tail end of his career.

Disagree. Other than that last fight he still did lots of damage even though it was very boring.

He didn't necessarily say for sure yes or no, but when Chael asked, Dana only said there were 'talks'. He also followed with GSP's return to likely be further in the year in Nov/Dec if he did return at all.