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10-22-2012 , 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Prawney
The guy is almost criminally underrated in the MW division. I dont think he will beat Silva but i dont see anyone that deserves a MW title shot more than him.
A)Weidman-5 (6) win streak, undefeated,beat Munoz and Maia (and Boetsch)
B)Boetsch-4 (5) fight win streak, beat Okami and Lombard (and Weidman)
C)Belcher-4 fight win streak, beat Palhares
D)Bisping-1 fight win streak, beat Stann

A>>B>C>D
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10-22-2012 , 01:32 PM
CC, at best I could see Lyoto winning 1 judge over in round 1. He didn't do any damage and had no ocatgonal control
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10-22-2012 , 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Jack Bando
A)Weidman-5 (6) win streak, undefeated,beat Munoz and Maia (and Boetsch)
B)Boetsch-4 (5) fight win streak, beat Okami and Lombard (and Weidman)
C)Belcher-4 fight win streak, beat Palhares
D)Bisping-1 fight win streak, beat Stann

A>>B>C>D
D could easily be Bisping- 6 fight win streak, beat Stann, Sonnen, J Miller, Rivera, Akiyama, D Miller.

Obviously ifs and buts dont change anything and Bisping lost to Sonnen. To just totally dismiss him because he lost a controversial decision to Sonnen is stupid.
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10-22-2012 , 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Jack Bando
CC, at best I could see Lyoto winning 1 judge over in round 1. He didn't do any damage and had no ocatgonal control
And Jones landed... a few push kicks? Im stunned Ive never met anyone who thought he won round 1, I was stunned when I heard the judges gave Jones round 1 for not landing a significant strike and getting caught clean (heh) 3-4 times.
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10-22-2012 , 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by caught_clean
They "hit" each other the same amount in round one but I think that these 2 strikes in this image can be weighed differently.

Cool pic, thx for posting.
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10-22-2012 , 02:36 PM
Jack Bando,

A+ trolling
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10-22-2012 , 03:04 PM
Jones' head looks shopped in that picture.
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10-22-2012 , 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by SuperUberBob
What about Anderson Silva now? Does he take on another middleweight (Chris Weidman, Bisping)? Or will we see him fight St. Pierre at a catchweight in 2013?
pretty sure the plan is for Silva vs GSP @ Cowboy Stadium next year if GSP beats Condit convincingly.
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10-22-2012 , 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Aceium
Jones' head looks shopped in that picture.
I thought so to at first. Here are some more.



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10-22-2012 , 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by LOLNHDONKWP
And the UFC judges are always right
Of course not, but I'd trust them more than someone like you who is clearly biased and who has already done some funny manipulation of facts/stats in order to better present the case for a particular fighters(ignoring that Machida should've lost the first fight to Shogun, assuming that Machida really won the fight with Rampage, and then claiming that Machida "only has 2 real losses").


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Love to know how he won the round when he didn't even touch Lyoto.
And heres yet another example of your bias. Here is the fight metric:

http://hosteddb.fightmetric.com/fights/index/3678

Looks like both Jones and Machida landed exactly 8 strikes and 8 significant strikes(all 16 strikes counted as "significant" according to them).


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Ok he pressed the action but Machida's style is elusiveness and counter striking.
Exactly. They landed the same number of strikes/significant strikes, but the fighter who pressed the action was awarded the round on 2/3 judges' scorecards while the fighter who mostly countered only won on one of the judges' scorecards. What exactly is your issue with this?


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I'm not much of a Joe Rogan fan
why not? Rogan is awesome in every way


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but he knows his **** and he reckons Lyoto won the round
he knows his **** enough that whenever hes asked who won a fight/round, he nearly always prefaces it by saying "When doing the job of commentator, I can't do a good job of scoring. I would definitely want to go back and watch the fight as a scorer before anyone should listen to my opinion."
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10-22-2012 , 06:40 PM
lol this one looks like someone actually drew Bones' head.

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10-22-2012 , 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Assani Fisher
Of course not, but I'd trust them more than someone like you who is clearly biased and who has already done some funny manipulation of facts/stats in order to better present the case for a particular fighters(ignoring that Machida should've lost the first fight to Shogun, assuming that Machida really won the fight with Rampage, and then claiming that Machida "only has 2 real losses").




And heres yet another example of your bias. Here is the fight metric:

http://hosteddb.fightmetric.com/fights/index/3678

Looks like both Jones and Machida landed exactly 8 strikes and 8 significant strikes(all 16 strikes counted as "significant" according to them).




Exactly. They landed the same number of strikes/significant strikes, but the fighter who pressed the action was awarded the round on 2/3 judges' scorecards while the fighter who mostly countered only won on one of the judges' scorecards. What exactly is your issue with this?




why not? Rogan is awesome in every way




he knows his **** enough that whenever hes asked who won a fight/round, he nearly always prefaces it by saying "When doing the job of commentator, I can't do a good job of scoring. I would definitely want to go back and watch the fight as a scorer before anyone should listen to my opinion."
So I take it you're not a Machida fan?
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10-22-2012 , 07:24 PM
Fightmetric can be useful and all, but it also is misleading. The term significant strike is the most misused term in MMA today. I would love to know what significant strikes Jones landed in round 1. He landed several round 2 but push kicks and leg kicks arent significant strikes unless they are serious.
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10-23-2012 , 12:44 PM
Nate Diaz +133
Ben Henderson -147

I'd love to see Condit lose large against GSP and an eventual Silva Pierre superfight happen.

Can't believe Riddle was popped for weed metabolites while they allow TRT to cut, built, in shape fighters. If a guy wants to smoke weed, why not? I'd rather square off with a guy on weed, then someone on TRT.

Any thoughts on the Diaz/Hendo fight?
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10-24-2012 , 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by EN09
Nate Diaz +133
Ben Henderson -147

I'd love to see Condit lose large against GSP and an eventual Silva Pierre superfight happen.

Can't believe Riddle was popped for weed metabolites while they allow TRT to cut, built, in shape fighters. If a guy wants to smoke weed, why not? I'd rather square off with a guy on weed, then someone on TRT.

Any thoughts on the Diaz/Hendo fight?
I just don't think Diaz is capable of beating BENDO.

He's not athletic, he can't knock dudes out, his only chance is a sub and that's his only threat to Henderson.

I'm gonna bet money on this fight cause I feel so confident.
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10-24-2012 , 10:30 AM
I hope GSP fights an interesting fight. His fights are so boring. All he has done in recent fights is lay on people for 5 rounds and get a UD. If that's the way he dominates Condit, a fight against Silva may not be as great as we think.
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10-24-2012 , 11:32 AM
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I hope GSP fights an interesting fight. His fights are so boring. All he has done in recent fights is lay on people for 5 rounds and get a UD. If that's the way he dominates Condit, a fight against Silva may not be as great as we think.
Same can be said for Condit if he intends to use the same sorriful touch-n-run strat as he did against Nick . Between the current state of judging and the "scoring" fighters, the UFC will one day be known as the UDC, Ultimate Judging Championships.

I think Diaz has a decent chance to take Ben out. Diaz bros aren't known for KO power but for cardio and breaking down their opponents. A sub is certainly high percentage.
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10-25-2012 , 11:06 PM
I like Diaz at those odds vs Henderson. I see Diaz's length giving Henderson some trouble.

GSP isn't necessarily at LnP guy, he really just takes the fight where his opponents are weakest. He took down Alves and Hardy and stood with Shields and Koscheck. I think his loss vs Serra has made him conservative to not press the issue vs coast to a clear decision if need be.
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10-25-2012 , 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by LOLNHDONKWP
So I take it you're not a Machida fan?
Not at all, I like Machida a lot. I really enjoy guys who fight with interesting styles, and I think some of his performances where he literally doesn't take a single blow all fight(vs Bader for example) are stunning exhibits of MMA.

I don't really hate any fighters, and I like a lot of them. For example, as crazy as it sounds, I'm a huge fan of both Anderson Silva and Chael Sonnen.
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10-25-2012 , 11:37 PM
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Not at all, I like Machida a lot. I really enjoy guys who fight with interesting styles, and I think some of his performances where he literally doesn't take a single blow all fight(vs Bader for example) are stunning exhibits of MMA.

I don't really hate any fighters, and I like a lot of them. For example, as crazy as it sounds, I'm a huge fan of both Anderson Silva and Chael Sonnen.
Same, and people look at me like I have something on my face when I say it in public.
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10-26-2012 , 01:31 AM
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Originally Posted by EN09
Same can be said for Condit if he intends to use the same sorriful touch-n-run strat as he did against Nick . Between the current state of judging and the "scoring" fighters, the UFC will one day be known as the UDC, Ultimate Judging Championships.
I mean, its pretty obvious whats happening: Before a fighter gets to "main event status", it is +EV for him to take some risk in order to have an exciting fight because the money from the various bonuses is hugely significant compared to his normal pay. But once a fighter becomes a legit contender and starts having title fights/main event matches then hes getting paid so much that its much more important for him to stay in the title hunt(or defend the title if hes already champ) than try to get a bonus.
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10-26-2012 , 02:12 AM
That makes a lot of sense as far as paydays go. Anderson Silva was heading the same way until he was booed a couple of fights and DW had a serious sit-down with him, judging by the words he spoke during a presser. AS became a more shall we say, active and exciting fighter once again. I think it was his antics during the Demian Maia fight which finally sent DW into orbit.
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10-27-2012 , 03:16 AM
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10-27-2012 , 09:07 AM
jones arrived in brazil yesterday and obviously the first question was about the silva fight. he said he doesn't want to fight silva, even after what silva said

article is in portuguese once again and I can't find an english version, only people talking about it in english here

http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f2/jon...fight-2244729/

they used google translator but it obviously did a ****ty job translating.

http://translate.google.com/translat...erson-silva%2F

cliffs: "tyson and ali are two of the greatest, and they don't have to fight each other to prove that"
"it's not a priority. it's not anderson's priority either. I'm young, I'm 25 and I'm gonna keep fighting for years and years, and I don't believe I have to fight silva to be the greatest"
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10-27-2012 , 09:09 AM
Anderson Silva is GOAT right now. Only way for Bones to truly be GOAT is to beat Silva. Without beating Silva, it's really an argument more than a certainty.
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