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10-24-2010 , 01:31 PM

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How did Cain get off his back?

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10-24-2010 , 01:51 PM

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Can't find that gif, but here's a highlight vid from ESPN that shows the same stuff:
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/10/2...ko-fight-video

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10-24-2010 , 02:14 PM

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How did Cain get off his back?

Just created space and scrambled away. Very basic (but fundamentally sound) wrestling.

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10-24-2010 , 02:27 PM

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Cain Velasquez - Freak of nature

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10-24-2010 , 02:38 PM

#1505

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im not sure how often Cain can get back on his feet instantly after at takedown, if we give it a 50% chance for example (also if lesnar didnt gas himself for some reason...), the fight coulda been waaaaaaaaaay different half the time and result coulda been the polar opposite.

we'll never know tho.

I was thinking about what would happen if Brock got a few more takedowns too. Hopefully he improves his boxing defense and come backs stronger.

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10-24-2010 , 02:50 PM

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Cain Velasquez - Freak of nature

Brock is a freak of nature. Cain being able to beat him just goes to show that skill can overcome freakish size and athletic ability. Well, athletic ability minus conditioning.

I'm pretty sure Brock will be back for a title shot before we know it.

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10-24-2010 , 02:52 PM

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They might let Brock fight Mir a third time, or maybe Roy Nelson. He'll maul either of those guys and get another title shot imo.

The thing is, I can see him reclaiming the title. Not against Cain, but if Carwin or JDS retakes the title Lesnar could definitely be champion again. I don't see him beating Cain anytime soon, but one of those guys might.

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10-24-2010 , 02:58 PM

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what was different from the Carwin V Brock fight and last nights fight? apart from Cain picking his spot better when Brock went reeling.

to me Brock was just the same in both fights, he got hit reacted badly then got stomped, only in this fight ref stopped it.

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10-24-2010 , 03:01 PM

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Cain's GNP wasn't getting blocked as much as Carwin's was.

Cain also wasn't gassing out at an alarming rate.

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10-24-2010 , 03:05 PM

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Cain was a little bit more positionally aware than Carwin was. Instead of just pounding, he worked into a very dominant knee-on-belly position and then began the GNP.

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10-24-2010 , 03:08 PM

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to me Brock was just the same in both fights, he got hit reacted badly then got stomped, only in this fight ref stopped it.

the ref couldnt let this one go.

brock was defending a lot more the last time around and he didnt get an axe cut in the cheek

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10-24-2010 , 03:08 PM

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basically what i'm asking is, with Dean as ref for the Carwin fight does he stop it in the first round like last night?

for such a big guy Brock really does not like getting punched in his face and he reacts very badly, amazed me when i first seen it V Carwin but it was worse last night.

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Dana White looked like a sad puppy when placing the belt around Cain.

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10-24-2010 , 03:11 PM

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basically what i'm asking is, with Dean as ref for the Carwin fight does he stop it in the first round like last night?

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Dana White looked like a sad puppy when placing the belt around Cain.

nah in this fight Brock turned away while turtling. In the Carwin fight, he was moving much more and never turned away from Carwin on the ground.

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10-24-2010 , 03:15 PM

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i'm gonna have to watch Carwin fight again, i really thought he beat up Brock just as badly as last night.

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10-24-2010 , 03:40 PM

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I think Brock's best chance would be vs. JDS. I think Carwin would learn from his mistakes and be a nightmare matchup for Brock. Cain actually benefited quite a bit from being the 2nd guy to put Brock in that turtle position. Carwin will improve his cardio (maybe not enough to go 5 rounds, but certainly much better than before) and would have a much better idea of what to do in the next fight.

I think JDS will give Cain a lot of problems. He has shown good TDD and I think he will have a lot of success escaping when Cain does get him down. Even Kongo and Rothwell had success with that. Lots of standing time vs. JDS may be a big problem for Cain.

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10-24-2010 , 03:45 PM

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by the way,

word is already leaking out that Lesnar/Mir 3 is basically a sure thing. I guess it makes sense. The former champ is coming off a loss, Mir is coming off a KO of Cro Cop. It'll be a huge draw even without it being a title fight, and it's the best way to use Mir. Mir is a decent draw with some name power, but he's never going to challenge for the title again (imo). So this is a great way to get Lesnar back on track and have a really good non-title PPV.

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10-24-2010 , 08:38 PM

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Any of you guys post on Sherdog? That place is blowing up right now about the Lesnar/Cain fight, lol.

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10-24-2010 , 09:05 PM

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i just feel like mir can't contend with him. not that there is anyone else to fight really.

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10-24-2010 , 11:39 PM

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LOL.
People still giving Cain so little respect it's unreal.
He got back on his feat because he is a better wrestler and much more technical.
Some people don't realize there is more to wrestling than brute force.
After watching the fight, if you say it could have gone either way, you are not giving Cain the credit he deserves.
Last night reminded me of the Jason Miller Bully Beatdown show.

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10-24-2010 , 11:52 PM

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so youre saying if cain gets up from one takedown that means he will get up everytime? (even before mentionning brock had just wasted a lot of energy...)

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10-25-2010 , 01:11 AM

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Kirby, Brock is going to have a hell of a time holding Cain down in any fight. Cain's scrambling looked very good and he's an elite wrestler in his physical prime. He probably manages to escape a good majority of the time even when he's taken down.

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10-25-2010 , 02:03 AM

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btw what do we make of cain being a better wrestler? do you think brock has just not done **** bc he was so good at it? i mean brock's peak >>>>> cain's peak... right? brock just a little out of practice?

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10-25-2010 , 02:06 AM

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Cain's wrestling translates better to MMA than Lesnar's + Cain is closer to his physical prime.

Also possible that Lesnar's time in the WWE hurt him in that he didn't practice real, competitive wrestling during that period, while Cain went straight from college to MMA.

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10-25-2010 , 02:11 AM

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What about the possibility he is never going to fully regain form after his illness? He's only had the Carwin and Velasquez fights since then right? Struggled mightily in both.

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10-25-2010 , 02:17 AM

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The reason for that is the challenge Cain presented at UFC 121 was FAR greater than the challenge 46yo Randy Couture presented or Frank Mir presented.