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08-21-2011 , 07:01 PM

#11876

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Well, my understanding of WAR not taking leverage into account at all may have been wrong, but it doesn't seem to resolve the leverage as much as something like WPA.

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08-21-2011 , 07:04 PM

#11877

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I guess I should make it clear, I'm not claiming super duper expertise or even that one way is obviously superior. It just seems like to me that WAR underrates certain relievers some, and I'm looking for ways to understand why I'm wrong and/or looking for something a little better.

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08-21-2011 , 07:32 PM

#11878

Justin A

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Another explanation

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Originally Posted by TangoTiger

As for the “bumping” up of the leverage, such that everyone moves up a notch once the top dog goes down: yes, that is pretty much presumed to happen. Absent an actual study, this would have to be the status quo, no? That if Mariano Rivera goes down, Joba Chamberlain takes his place, and every other reliever moves up a rung, and the minor league reliever becomes the mopup guy. The same applies let’s say with NHL defensemen.

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08-21-2011 , 07:50 PM

#11879

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Originally Posted by ikestoys

valverde just isn't that good bro

sorry

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08-21-2011 , 07:51 PM

#11880

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valverde just isn't that good bro

sorry

he's no Brian Wilson

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08-21-2011 , 07:51 PM

#11881

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Originally Posted by Phildo

valverde just isn't that good bro

sorry

yeah, that's my point here.

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08-21-2011 , 07:52 PM

#11882

GREEAR10

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phildo jus mad that the giants are ~ the stros

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08-21-2011 , 08:02 PM

#11883

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Originally Posted by Justin A

Another explanation

Thanks for the link.

Interesting read, seems like it is really hard to quantify. Don't think WPA is a great solution either, as some of the leverage is self-created.

Seems like different stats give you a slightly diff insight.

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08-21-2011 , 08:14 PM

#11884

cwicemvp12

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lol Cubs fans in Pujols jerseys.

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08-21-2011 , 08:17 PM

#11885

cwicemvp12

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lol Cubs fans.

FMP

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08-21-2011 , 08:18 PM

#11886

Phildo

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Originally Posted by GREEAR10

he's no Brian Wilson

well he has never in his career been as good as wilson was in 09 and 10 but i'm not sure wilson will ever be that good again either.

otoh the giants do have the best relief pitcher on either team even if bochy is too stupid to use him properly.

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08-21-2011 , 08:23 PM

#11887

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meh, BBQ >>> ne one u got, we got concussion issues tho.

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08-21-2011 , 08:24 PM

#11888

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also, healthy avila >>> healthy posey (ill go to hypothetical land with you)

you see avila take another shot blocked the plate to win the game today? how jelly did u get?

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08-21-2011 , 08:27 PM

#11889

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08-21-2011 , 08:29 PM

#11890

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also, healthy avila >>> healthy posey (ill go to hypothetical land with you)

you see avila take another shot blocked the plate to win the game today? how jelly did u get?

avila is quite good but you better keep hoping posey isn't the same

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08-21-2011 , 08:40 PM

#11891

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pshhhh

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08-21-2011 , 09:09 PM

#11892

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Originally Posted by GREEAR10

hypothetical....

world series game 7 tie game in the bot 9th bases loaded.

batter gets hit by a pitch in the head and gets knocked unconscious....how does the game end?

what about if there's a hbp and the player has a heart attack and dies halfway up the 1st base line?

you can have someone pinch run in that spot for the injured player
i think it happened with gabe kapler a few years ago when he tore his acl or some**** rounding the bases on a home run

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08-21-2011 , 10:18 PM

#11893

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jesus christ espn leave Castro alone for a ****ing second.

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08-21-2011 , 10:22 PM

#11894

PocketChads

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Originally Posted by cwicemvp12

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Originally Posted by cwicemvp12

lol cubs

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FYFMP

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08-21-2011 , 10:30 PM

#11895

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Weaver agrees to extension with Angels, 5/85.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-...,6353347.story

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08-21-2011 , 10:31 PM

#11896

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Originally Posted by The Rat

jesus christ espn leave Castro alone for a ****ing second.

He'd love that - more time to grab some sunflower seeds.

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08-21-2011 , 11:24 PM

#11897

Jetto

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Is Nova good or what. the guys a player

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08-21-2011 , 11:25 PM

#11898

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Originally Posted by LurchySoprano

Weaver agrees to extension with Angels, 5/85.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-...,6353347.story

I'll be watching his celebration closely.

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08-21-2011 , 11:33 PM

#11899

ikestoys

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In case you missed the last out of the Tigers game

http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?co...y_18286533&v=3

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08-22-2011 , 12:04 AM

#11900

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Lead's down to four... Can't say I didn't warn anyone.

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