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12-22-2009 , 11:36 PM

#1126

Jack of Arcades

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Originally Posted by hard2tel

I'm not so sure. He's not gonna stand in the way of Heyward and Diaz/Mclouth have the other OF spots sewn up. I think he's the safety net in case Heyward doesn't win the RF job or someone gets hurt.

Ding ding ding. Melky Cabrera is there to keep the OF warm for Heyward.

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12-22-2009 , 11:40 PM

#1127

PocketChads

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Well you guys are right that what you are talking about is a solid plan, but what about the Braves' roster management for the past 5+ years actually leads you to believe it's what the front office has in mind?

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12-22-2009 , 11:53 PM

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EMc

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I think karak mentioned it, but the NYY operating income doesnt include YES. Actually, IIRC correctly, it decreases it.

There is an interview with the CFO of MLB in the most recent CPA journal, ill read it when i get a chance and pull out anything interesting.

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12-23-2009 , 12:10 AM

#1129

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Originally Posted by PocketChads

What are you talking about when you imply the Braves have had bad roster management? I honestly can't think of anything.

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12-23-2009 , 12:16 AM

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Seriously Cubbie fans, what the hell does our rotation or bullpen look like next season? We don't have the closer spot solidified because Marmol is about as reliable as the French....... **** me it's rough being a Cubs fan.

fwiw, I think Hendry is quickly proving himself to be one of the worst GMs in the history of modern baseball.

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12-23-2009 , 12:27 AM

#1131

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Originally Posted by brocksavage1

fwiw, I think Hendry is quickly proving himself to be one of the worst GMs in the history of modern baseball.

A bit late to this bandwagon, you are...

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12-23-2009 , 12:36 AM

#1132

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Originally Posted by kyleb

A bit late to this bandwagon, you are...

I thought he might partially redeem himself by getting something better than an out of shape broken down pitcher for Bradely, but obviously I was dead wrong.

At least we get 9 million.

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12-23-2009 , 12:42 AM

#1133

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I think they had to sell high on Vazquez rather than sell low on Lowe. If they traded Lowe it was almost certain that they would have had to either take on a significant salary in return or pay a portion of his contract and get little value in return.

By trading Vazquez, they got a pretty nice return (Dunn and Vizcaino are probably 2 of their top 5 pitching prospects now) and have the financial flexability to improve the offense.

Did they really sell high on Vazquez? I like Vizcaino, but Dunn is a future LOOGY at best, no where near top 5 in ATL. Vizcano, Teharan, Delgado, Hoover, Spurill, Minor and Kimbrell (future closer if he can be a little less wild)are all legit pitching prospects. So sick how much pitching they have considering the track record of developing.

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12-23-2009 , 12:48 AM

#1134

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Originally Posted by brocksavage1

I'll take a shot at this and hope I don't throw up too much. Why was I born into rooting for this team?

SP-Dempster
SP-Zambrano
SP-Wells
SP-Silva
SP-Marshall

RP-Gorzelanny
RP-Samardzjah
RP-Guzman
RP-Grabow
RP-Capps (Please go to Washington)
Closer-Marmol

DL-Lilly

The good news is Cashner & Jay Jackson should start the year in Iowa's rotation and Carpenter could join them at some point.

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12-23-2009 , 01:53 AM

#1135

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Originally Posted by kyleb

Well, no. Presumably owners get into the business of owning an MLB franchise because they love baseball first and want to make money second. Lots of owners are willing to take short-term losses if it means a greater chance at winning a championship.

Very few (Jeffrey Loria) actually try to make a lot of money by owning the team.

Braves are now owned by Liberty Media who bought them in a transaction done largely for tax reasons. Pretty sure making money is its first priority.

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12-23-2009 , 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by mblax10

I'm not sure if they got great value out of the deal, but what I meant by "selling high" was in referance to his value as opposed to Lowe.

I don't know very much about Dunn, just that he's a hard throwing lefty. I guess I slept on a few Braves pitching prospects, they have some serious young talent in Teheran, Delgado, and Vizcaino.

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12-23-2009 , 11:04 AM

#1137

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So Braves ditch Vazquez and looks like they have reached an agreement on a 1 year deal with Troy Glaus. He is going to play 1B apparently. All this pending a medical.

Not sure on the money involved

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12-23-2009 , 11:15 AM

#1138

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Anybody gonna defend Jack Z or is the take that AA scored one getting Morrow pretty much standard? I suppose it's not official yet, to be fair . . .

Last edited by Levarkin; 12-23-2009 at 11:16 AM. Reason: Dave Cameron dislikes it and that's pretty much good enough for me.

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12-23-2009 , 12:08 PM

#1139

IlliniLou

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Originally Posted by mblax10

oh jesus christ .... when you actually write out the names it looks worse

the Cubs may not win 80 games next year, the over/under has to be around 85

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12-23-2009 , 12:21 PM

#1140

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Originally Posted by Levarkin

Anybody gonna defend Jack Z or is the take that AA scored one getting Morrow pretty much standard? I suppose it's not official yet, to be fair . . .

I feel like AA got away with something on this one.

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12-23-2009 , 12:54 PM

#1141

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why is it such a heist? morrow has injury problems and they're getting the jays A ball POY and an ~average reliever for him.

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12-23-2009 , 02:15 PM

#1142

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Keith law summed it up when he called the prospect a lottery ticket. His year at A ball notwithstanding, anyone with his lack of plate discipline and resulting K:BB is a crap shoot. Morrow's upside is far higher than League's and the Jays get an extra year of control.

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12-23-2009 , 02:15 PM

#1143

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Originally Posted by thebigeasy59

why is it such a heist? morrow has injury problems and they're getting the jays A ball POY and an ~average reliever for him.

I don't know if I'd call League an average reliever; he's one of those guys with great stuff who have never really been able to put it together. A career 4.30 FIP for a reliever is nothing we're going to miss too much. Morrow was the fifth overall pick in 2006 and while he's had injury issues (and he's a diabetic to boot), he's still got a lot of upside for his four remaining years under team control. He gets Ks and keeps it in the yard, so if he can develop control . . . watch out. Chavez is a nice prospect but still a long way from the show.

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12-23-2009 , 02:20 PM

#1144

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Interesting take at USS Mariner: he suggests that this deal was an extension of the Lee/Halladay deal. Interesting enough, and fine if you want to exculpate Jack Z somewhat, but just more awesomeness for Toronto in any case.

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12-23-2009 , 02:42 PM

#1145

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It makes decent sense, but Morrow is not really all that good. His development has been hampered by Bavasi's stupidity and he has absolutely terrible control problems and no real third pitch.

Additionally, Z has a keen eye for hitters with bad plate discipline. There's one in Milwaukee who I think everyone would love to have on their team...

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12-23-2009 , 02:42 PM

#1146

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12-23-2009 , 07:31 PM

#1147

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Troy Glaus is not what i had in mind.

If he somehow stays healthy and isn't a ****** at 1st base then ok good job but what are the chances of that happening? jesus christ.

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12-23-2009 , 07:44 PM

#1148

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Originally Posted by hard2tel

Troy Glaus is not what i had in mind.

If he somehow stays healthy and isn't a ****** at 1st base then ok good job but what are the chances of that happening? jesus christ.

glaus is a .277/.399/.558 lifetime hitter against LHP. that's obviously excellent - if he can hit even .250/.350/.450, he'll be better than casey kotchman there.

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12-29-2009 , 02:38 AM

#1149

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Giants Sign DeRosa

reporting its 2yrs/12mil, hes going to be the everyday 3B and fill in elsewhere. pablo sliding to first permanently apparently.

also on the verge of resigning juan uribe

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12-29-2009 , 02:57 AM

#1150

Sir S A Lot

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Wow, wtf are the Giants doing? I mean I hate the team more than the Dodgers so I'm happy they make dumb moves but they are wasting their opportunity to do something special with their pitching staff.
DeRosa/Uribe/Sanchez is their solution to their pathetic offense? They prob wont go out to get Uggla now.

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