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12-02-2012 , 11:56 AM
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i didnt say he should

i was making a prediction
Oh, well why should Schilling not get in?
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12-02-2012 , 12:00 PM
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i doubt media votes schilling in on first ballot cause he is a bit of a dick
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12-02-2012 , 12:03 PM
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You said it would be a complete joke. I assumed you meant that you felt he didn't deserve to get in 1st ballot.
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12-02-2012 , 12:03 PM
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Schilling getting in on the first ballot would be a complete joke
lol no

Schilling is a legend
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12-02-2012 , 12:06 PM
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You said it would be a complete joke. I assumed you meant that you felt he didn't deserve to get in 1st ballot.
based on wins i wouldn't put him in on the first ballot

yes that is stupid

and yes i would put him in on the 2nd ballot

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the reason i said it would be a complete joke is that him getting in and bonds clemens and piazza not would be a joke
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12-02-2012 , 12:10 PM
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Bonds and Clemons are the best players of the generation. Dumb voters gonna do their thing though. Piazza, Schilling and Biggio should all get in 1st try.
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12-02-2012 , 12:49 PM
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based on wins i wouldn't put him in on the first ballot

yes that is stupid

and yes i would put him in on the 2nd ballot

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the reason i said it would be a complete joke is that him getting in and bonds clemens and piazza not would be a joke
anybody getting in while bonds and clemens don't is a joke
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12-02-2012 , 12:50 PM
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and put pete ****ing rose in already
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12-02-2012 , 12:51 PM
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The issue with Schilling is that he's clearly not a top five pitcher of his era (Pedro, Maddux, Clemens, Unit, Glavine) and maybe not top 10 depending on what you think of Smoltz, Mussina, etc. Once you allow all of these guys in, there are tons of pitchers with somewhat similar stats like David Wells or Al Leiter who would probably have a legitimate case. I'm just curious what will end up happening with all of these pitchers.
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12-02-2012 , 01:06 PM
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The issue with Schilling is that he's clearly not a top five pitcher of his era (Pedro, Maddux, Clemens, Unit, Glavine) and maybe not top 10 depending on what you think of Smoltz, Mussina, etc. Once you allow all of these guys in, there are tons of pitchers with somewhat similar stats like David Wells or Al Leiter who would probably have a legitimate case. I'm just curious what will end up happening with all of these pitchers.
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12-02-2012 , 01:13 PM
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schilling has been outspoken against steroids so the morons will probably vote him in over clemens
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12-02-2012 , 01:14 PM
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Schilling has made 19 playoff starts in his career with a 2.23 ERA on his way to 3 World Series rings.

Oh and he's also top 20 in career WAR for pitchers.

He's a legend.
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12-02-2012 , 01:40 PM
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Schilling has made 19 playoff starts in his career with a 2.23 ERA on his way to 3 World Series rings.

Oh and he's also top 20 in career WAR for pitchers.

He's a legend.
That all may be true, but he's still not on the same level as Maddux, Clemens, Pedro, and Randy Johnson. Glavine is closer than I thought, I guess.

Also he's 26th in WAR, well behind everyone mentioned but Glavine (28th). Mussina is 20th.
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12-02-2012 , 01:51 PM
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damn, I never actually checked Jack Morris' numbers, unreal that someone can try to argue he belongs in
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12-02-2012 , 01:53 PM
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agree
i wanted him in but when you look at the numbers it's a joke

but who were the best pitchers of the 80's?
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12-02-2012 , 01:55 PM
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Oh my god. You don't have to be Randy ****ing Johnson to get into the Hall.
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Take away Bobds 7 best WAR years and the remaining career WAR is still higher than anyone on the ballot this year. Lulz.
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12-02-2012 , 01:57 PM
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clemens, ryan, blyleven, gooden, carlton, valenzuela, scott, saberhagen...i mean plenty of HOFers but also some guys who were really good for a short time then declined for whatever reason
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Oh my god. You don't have to be Randy ****ing Johnson to get into the Hall.
Yeah but Morris isn't even top15 of people eligible for this years ballot.
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12-02-2012 , 01:58 PM
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Schilling's post-season work puts him over the top imo.
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12-02-2012 , 01:59 PM
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theres like 15 active pitchers who already had a better career than Morris
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12-02-2012 , 02:00 PM
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Take away Bobds 7 best WAR years and the remaining career WAR is still higher than anyone on the ballot this year. Lulz.
Except Clemens. My bad
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12-02-2012 , 02:01 PM
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im really interested how beltran does in 10years or w/e , he clearly belongs in but never had the following necessary
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12-02-2012 , 02:05 PM
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Yeah but Morris isn't even top15 of people eligible for this years ballot.
I know, this was for the guy saying that Schilling might not be a HOFer because he played in the same era as Pedro, Smoltz and Randy.

The crazy thing about Morris is, you don't even need to use SABR stats to see the problem. His ERA was 3.9, pre-Selig era.
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