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09-14-2019 , 09:51 PM

#4226

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I'll admit this is a cherrypick but the point is that there are nuances in every situation in a baseball game that these advanced stats often don't take into account.

99% of the time Dunn is the better choice to have at the plate. 1% of the time it's Ichiro.

Guess we'll never know who the more valuable hitter was! Advanced stats rendered meaningless!

lol

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09-14-2019 , 09:53 PM

#4227

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For the record I think Ichiro was awesome and should get in as much for his actual ability as what he meant for the game of baseball. I also don't think Adam Dunn should ever be on the ballot. Let's just get that out of the way.

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09-14-2019 , 09:53 PM

#4228

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Originally Posted by Outdrawed84

That's not the question at all. That is literally the mother of all goalpost shifts

But even so, Adam Dunn made an out 64% of the time in his career. Ichiro made an out 65% of the time. If you want the guy who made an out more often, more power to you weirdos.

lol funny

no offense to the others in the discussion.

I don't have a dog in this fight, but I do think the fascination with all these new analytics is a bit sociological.

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09-14-2019 , 09:53 PM

#4229

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Finally some other people who understand the value of OBP and SLG have arrived

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09-14-2019 , 10:08 PM

#4230

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Originally Posted by Schlitz mmmm

lol funny

no offense to the others in the discussion.

I don't have a dog in this fight, but I do think the fascination with all these new analytics is a bit sociological.

None of this stuff is complicated or newfangled.

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09-14-2019 , 10:15 PM

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It's more scientific, similar to what's being done by some prognosticators perhaps. could be wrong

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09-14-2019 , 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by EddyB66

I’m curious honestly how do you tell people who the best player you’ve ever seen was if you aren’t allowed to use the eye test?

For me it was 85-86 Mattingly and then Barry Bonds dwarfed that.

For pitcher nobody comes close to Pedro imo. I’m sure advanced stats will say differently, but I am curious who the best players you guys saw play were.

85 Rickey > 85 Mattingly

As for Pedro, advanced stats love Pedro.

Best I saw was probably Bonds and Pedro. The numbers happen to back up my eye test.

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Fewer career WAR than Chase Utley, Andruw Jones and Joey Votto. I guess those guys are being overlooked for HOF.

WAR is a cumulative stat and Ichiro started at 27.

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Andruw Jones should be in the HOF, best of all time defense at a critical position for a decade, with 400 bombs.

truth

maybe the best defensive CF of all-time

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Hating on batting average is slightly odd. What would Billy Hamilton’s value be if he could bat .330 every year?

Immense. I don't understand what your point is.

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Unfortunately the game is played in the micro and not in the macro, advanced stats don’t seem to take into context situational baseball.

So Adam Dunn is more valuable than Ichiro? Lol

Why does that matter?

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Bases loaded, 9th inning you are down by 1 run. Your family dies if you lose the game. Pitcher is up, Dunn and a Ichiro are the only bats left on the bench. Who are you choosing to hit?

Who ****ing cares?

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09-14-2019 , 10:31 PM

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I think it’s because it seems like a lot of the advanced stats are geared more towards fantasy and don’t translate to the real life game. Do they have a team WAR stat? I’d love to see if the highest WAR teams win the WS every year. I mean they should, but just curious if there are any outliers on the list.

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09-14-2019 , 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by D-Beat

85 Rickey > 85 Mattingly

As for Pedro, advanced stats love Pedro.

Best I saw was probably Bonds and Pedro. The numbers happen to back up my eye test.

WAR is a cumulative stat and Ichiro started at 27.

truth

maybe the best defensive CF of all-time

Immense. I don't understand what your point is.

Why does that matter?

Who ****ing cares?

Serious question. What was the highest level of baseball you ever played?

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09-14-2019 , 10:33 PM

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Oh my God.

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09-14-2019 , 10:35 PM

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Serious question. What was the highest level of baseball you ever played?

Eddy's losing the argument badly. Time to pull out the ol "yeah but have you ever actually played?"

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09-14-2019 , 10:37 PM

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Do you ever get tired of endlessly raging against advanced stats without even understanding what they are? If you're genuinely curious (lol), Fangraphs has lots of great free articles explaining things. Of course if you can't understand why the highest WAR (or wins!) team wouldn't always win the World Series, maybe start with an introductory statistics & probability book.

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09-14-2019 , 10:39 PM

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How am I losing the argument? You are telling me that guys had higher slugging percentages during the steroid era and now the juiced ball era than guys from the 80’s. Well i would ****ing hope so. I’m going to go out on a limb and bet that guys who have higher batting averages perform better in the playoffs than guys with a lower avg but higher slugging percentage.

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09-14-2019 , 10:41 PM

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I used advanced stats every day for Draftkings and fantasy. I just don’t think they translate to success in real life baseball.

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09-14-2019 , 10:47 PM

#4240

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Originally Posted by EddyB66

Serious question. What was the highest level of baseball you ever played?

Irrelevant, but high school. You want to actually refute something I said instead of fail to get me with red herring?

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Advanced stats (wrt value) are totally useless in fantasy. Every analyst says as much and every DFS pro agrees.

And since you're into experience, I've been playing DFS since 2014, semi-professionally since around 2016.

Also, you really show very little knowledge of the variance baked into the game if you think winning four of seven games twice validates 162 games of data.

And to add to that, any semi-intelligent baseball analyst would immediately say that 162 games is a small sample.

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09-14-2019 , 10:49 PM

#4241

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Originally Posted by EddyB66

I used advanced stats every day for Draftkings and fantasy. I just don’t think they translate to success in real life baseball.

Why not?

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09-14-2019 , 10:51 PM

#4242

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Kyle Seager has had a 1.079 OPS over last 46 games. Nice stretch.

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09-14-2019 , 10:54 PM

#4243

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Eh forget it. It’s not worth it.

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09-14-2019 , 11:55 PM

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Do play anymore Eddy? Just curious. I still play in a couple over 30 leagues

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09-15-2019 , 12:23 AM

#4245

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https://blogs.fangraphs.com/dante-bi...e-1999-season/

This article is why I always take WAR with a massive grain of salt. Coors or no Coors, I simply don't believe his defense could have been that bad to counteract the offense.

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09-15-2019 , 12:47 AM

#4246

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Do play anymore Eddy? Just curious. I still play in a couple over 30 leagues

Not really, I’ll mess around in my buddy’s wooden bat league every once in a while, but I’m too busy coaching my kids.

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09-15-2019 , 01:40 AM

#4247

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Eddy,

You say you don't think advanced stats translate well to real life baseball. Are you including things like launch angles for hitting and spin rate for pitching? A whole lot of major league players have discussed altering their approach as they learned more about these things because they believe - and their coaches + front office believe - that it directly correlates to improved results (it includes other things than launch angle and spin rate but these are the most common ones so I'll stick to them).

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09-15-2019 , 01:57 AM

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Did Eddy move me back to 2nd best poster by wOBA?

New power rankings coming out tomorrow. Hint Astros are going to get homefield throughout the playoffs, Yordong wins the ROY, and Burgerman wins mvp. Trout can't be that valuable if he is supposedly GOAT and can't even squeak his team into a WC game.

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09-15-2019 , 08:22 AM

#4249

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Originally Posted by EddyB66

I’m going to go out on a limb and bet that guys who have higher batting averages perform better in the playoffs than guys with a lower avg but higher slugging percentage.

For the love of God try and back this up. Seriously, do the least bit of research you can muster and back up your wildly speculative hypothesis.