he be from jamaica mon

This makes zero difference. If I have an African-american wife, I can write up a headline with the n word in it... accompanyed by a picture of an African-american athlete??? Easy answer. Just in case you didn't know, that c word is for Asians (and specifically the chinese) what the n word is for blacks.

if you cant see the difference between the anchor and the editor, then LOL at you

Right.

There were at least two incidents. My previous post was in regards to the mobile app writer. My error there.

The anchor, while not able to recheck his work like a writer, still shoud be aware enough not to say that... one could argue that he should be even more aware since he has an Asian wife. I haven't seen the video, but I'm going to assume it was an honest mistake.

The headline writer has no excuse. This one seems more insidious imo.

give their new lineup, i put jlin's season at 16/3/8, 5 TOs, 1.5 steals a game. not too shabby.

Looks about right... maybe 9 assists imo.

You should watch the video bc its obvious the was using he expression naturally and not making a reference to lins race

^^^^^ Well, I was assuming it was an honest mistake. The phrase happens to be pretty common, especially in a sports context.

what did he say?

This is a pretty good video by Dana White calling out mayweather for hating on Lin



Mayweather = owned

Lin on the cover of SI again ,first ny athlete to hold that honor ,having back 2 back covers

No VaseLIN

Btw, not hating on D-Will, he's one of the top PGs but taking out 8/14 3s, he was 2/8 2s. Is ever having your PG chucking up 3s a winning strategy? Most nights you try that many 3s, you fall back to the mean i.e. you die by the 3s. I prefer PGs going for the high percentage plays i.e. 50% fg ala Lin and Nash.

Historically, even the worst teams will beat the best team if they are hot hitting the 3s. Seen it over and over again. One thing Jlin needs to improve, is he needs to answer some of those 3s. This is where Nash has the advantage with his sick 40% 3s.

This analogy doesn't really work because there is no common expression people use with ****** in it that is removed from a racial context in the way that '***** in one's armor' is.

A closer example would be to describe a black guy as 'niggardly' (i.e. cheap, miserly). The word is totally etymologically separate from '******', and has no racial connotations, in the same way that '***** in the armor' predates '*****' as a racial slur.

What I'm saying is, you can say an asian guy has a ***** in his armor, and you can say a black guy is niggardly, and that doesn't make you racist. I wouldn't say those things, because I wouldn't want someone to misinterpret me, or think I was trying to get away with a racial slur in an underhand sort of way (kinda like how some people on the internet use 'nagger' in relation to the south park episode, to get away with saying ******).

I guess what I'm saying is, using a word that has no meaning other than to belittle and harm someone because of their race is racist. Using a word or expression that has a widely acknowledged, separate, and racially neutral meaning, but is similar/the same as a racist slur, is likely a stupid idea, and might be racist, but it isn't necessarily so.

/blahracism

This is essentially what I was saying in my previous post... didn't want to write it all out at 3am, though.

Hiding behind the commonly used phrase is exactly what I think the headline writer did... not the anchor.

I never said either was racist, btw. A stupid mistake and insidious, yes. Racist? Hard to tell, but it's not out of the realm of possibility, especially for the headline writer. If he had half a brain, he would realize this was very wrong imo.

people keep using 'niggardly' as an example but seriously when would it even make sense for a sports headline to refer to a black athlete as niggardly? not in many cases at all, and if the situation where it makes even the slightest bit of sense to use it comes up, the writer would still have to be a moron to use it due to: the blatant associations with the only other word it sounds just like, the fact that most people don't even know what niggardly means, and because there would almost always be a better fitting word. i would be fine if they got in trouble for that because their judgment would have to be awful

at least "***** in the armor" is a common sports cliche that makes sense and could have maybe been used accidentally (especially if it came out on a subconscious level?). what screwed him was obviously that a chinese basketball player is so rare that it immediately makes it extremely suspicious that he chose to use the word in that case

Politics and sports don't mix

The Lebron tipping incident from 2008 when he was still a Cavalier comes to mind.

http://www.clevescene.com/cleveland/...nt?oid=1505831

He tipped $10 on an $800 bill (with a growing reputation of being a bad tipper - iirc Shaq even called him out on it), then later said the waiter mis-read the tip, and had a gopher bring a $200 tip the next day. (Yeah cuz we know that $200 can be misread as $10.)

There was def. some decent press about this incident at the time, including a number of posts about it in the famous Threadzilla. Not once did I see the word niggardly used to describe his action/s.

(I am not using it to describe his actions now, just presenting an example where people could have done so, if they were a moron)

For the ESPN anchor to have an Asian wife, he should be held at an even higher standard, imo.

man i swear i remember some media getting heat for using niggardly. cant remember if it was proper or improper usage.

Jeremy Lin Says 'No' to David Letterman as Media Requests Pour in ... David Letterman asked him to come on the show, he turned it down.

If you use niggardly to discribe a black man's action then as a writer (whether you intentional used it properly or not).....you are a moron ....and deserve to be heat.

same thing with Lin and "***** in the armour", ESPN knows they reach a big audience and not everyone intepretates the words the same way. Chalk it up as lesson learn.

***** in the armor far worse than niggardly, IMO. But I think your point is a good one in that we have dozens of other ways to communicate both ideas on the English language, so choosing one that can't be misinterpreted so easily is probably a good idea.

Wat? ***** in the armor is a far more common expression, niggardly is only used by people who want to point out how it has nothing to do with ******. I can understand someone using ***** in the armor without realizing the double entendre, everyone knows what they're doing when they say niggardly

J - are you referring to the guy who posted/approved the "***** in the Armor" headline on ESPN Mobile site? If so, that's def not being too politically correct. It's just horrible judgment on that guy's part, and he should 100% be fired for being a dumbass and bad at his job (it does not matter if he's married to an Asian, is Asian, whatever).

My friend who is an editor for ESPN (writes about NBA) said he has used "***** in the armor" as a phrase numerous times in his articles. And I've definitely read it before in sports articles. Context is everything here (obvi).

I have never, ever, in my life read the word "niggardly" in any modern, mainstream journalistic context. It's such an archaic word, and not common at all. If you saw it in print somewhere would be bizarre.

Well especially if you are the headline writer, part of your job is the ability to make sure you're saying what you mean. Basically being alert enough to think "wait, maybe i shouldn't use that phrase in referemce to a picture of the most famous Chinese-American in the workd atm." Fine he's not being racist he's just being terrible at his job.