Conte is headed at Juventus headquarters today.

Couldnt they have at least tried some sort of search for a coach?

Don't you think that CL/WC/DFB-Pokal has an impact of the Bundesliga-matches? Neuer has played over 50 matches this season (w/o WC) and has to motivate himself every couple of days. Under this circumstances he was the best keeper this year.
And what about Piszczek? I think it is a pretty obvious vote for him as best RB of the season. He was the only one who played constantly good this season as RB and one of the big surprises, imo.

It's only been a few months since the same thing happened to Lucho Gonzalez. wtf is going on in Marseille?

if you dont care to read your own sources, you should probably read my posts then.

i said including cl/cup games its obv. neuer
i said without cl/cup games its not neuer


the old discussion was if götze>müller/ribery/robben

götze played a poor international/cup season, while müller and ribery did good there as well, so there was no way götze would be justified in the top11 if international games were included.

same goes with lahm and piszcz btw, and concerning him, i just refuse to believe that a guy went from being a very bad defender @ hertha to be the best in 1 season.
he just happend to be in the best defence, and thats where its easy to play in...

A couple of other Bundesliga 2010/11 teams I was able to find:

http://www.goal.com/en/news/1717/edi...season-2010-11

(oh yay Goal and me in agreement pretty much...)

And a perhaps a more interesting one (at least a little bit alternative) :

http://bundesligafootball.wordpress....year-20102011/

Valdes

Alves
Puyol
Ballesteros
Marcelo

Javi Marquez
Xavi
Iniesta

Rossi
Messi
Ronaldo

That was the Sky Sports La Liga team of the season.

I like the idea of Rossi in there. He did really manage to keep it going all the way, but not sure I could find room for anyone else non-Barca-Real. Maybe a centreback I guess but for me Alonso has to get a midfield spot.

Well not a lot of midfielders there. I think Cabaye should be in though not sure who I would remove. Probably Sow actually cause he is the worst of the lot and Gervinho,Hazard and Cabaye all more important for Lille I think.

You could even go more Lille and put Debuchy at right-back.

Kévin Gameiro was someone who I finally caught a few times this season and he was very impressive. There is a lot of the young David Villa in his game I think.

edit: Oh and what's the deal with that Marvin Martin guy (which must sound really cool in French) 19 assists for him. Anyone know?

Valero would be in my La Liga team of the year.

Have you watched any of Marvin Martin from Sochaux? I keep reading good things about him and have been meaning to download some matches but Iturbe (Cerro Porteño), Lucas (São Paulo), Adryan (Flamengo/Brazil U17) and next up Banega have taken up all my time. Hoping to get around to watching him before the U17 World Cup starts though.

Non.

See edit^^^

Valero? Well, I love the great blend that is him and Villarreal but I wouldn't know who to remove and overall, other than Rossi pretty much, they faded pretty badly too towards the end.

Valero is supposedly seen by Barcelona as the cheap alternative to Fabregas should Arsenal dig their heels in and be greedy with the fee.

There was some word of interest in him from Italy as well.

Puyol getting in there with only 17 league games is a little strange.

What would the team look like without Real or Barca players?

Lopez

?
Botia
Ballesteros
?

Javi Marquez
Ever
Javi Martinez

Rossi
Aguero
Munain

De Gea, Cazorla, Valero, Reyes, Mata?

Spanishfootball.info did a La Liga team of the season with one player per club:

GK Diego López (Villarreal); DL Nacho Monreal (Osasuna), DC Iván Ramis (Real Mallorca), DF Albert Botía (Sporting Gijón ), DR Andoni Iraola (Athletic Bilbao); CM Gabi (Real Zaragoza), CM Ivan Rakitić (Sevilla), CM Mesut Özil (Real Madrid); LW Juan Mata (Valencia), CF Felipe Caicedo (Levante), RW Lionel Messi (Barcelona)

Substitutes: GK Diego Alves (Almería), DC Diego Colotto (Deportivo La Coruña), CM Xabi Prieto (Real Sociedad), AM José Antonio Reyes (Atlético Madrid), CF Daniel Osvaldo (Espanyol)

Of course the fact they left Ronaldo off the team makes the whole thing null and void but there's some ideas.

Since Rakitic only joined Sevilla in January I wouldn't include him and if we're talking Sevilla players during the second half of the season Negredo actually scored 15 goals in his last 19 games. While Reyes was one of the few Atleti players who played well for the whole season I would still probably have Aguero over him, though it's close. Osvaldo missed a lot of games but was very important for Espanyol so it's nice seeing him get the nod. Btw Caicedo officially joined Levante from City for €1m. €10m release clause, should be quite a few teams interested in that. Don't get why Messi is still labelled a right winger in places.

I tried to stay out of the discussion because it doesn't lead anywhere imo, but Garibaldi can you explain your double standards where you come up with your sources and cry when people say that Neuer was clearly the best player because no source agrees, but at the same time you say that including Bender and Piszczek in the top 11 is lolworthy and make claims like Lahm >>> Piszcek and totally ignore that according to kicker grades (that you used for your Neuer argument) Pisczek was the 6th best defender/2nd best FB behind Schmelzer/best RB this season/obv ahead of Lahm and Bender was the 4th best midfielder behind Kagawa, Sahin and Götze.

Another point I wanted to address is the question why there are a lot Dortmund players in the team but only 1 Leverkusen player. There is a pretty clear answer for this: rotation.

Dortmund started basically the same 11 all season (Lewandowski came in for Kagawa halfway through and there was some rotation with Kuba and the other wingers) and had several players in there looking really damn good.

Leverkusen on the other hand rotated a lot.
Friedrich/Hyypiä/Reinartz/Schwaab shared starts at CB,
Castro/Kadlec/Schwaab/Balitsch shared starts at FB,
Vidal/Rolfes/Ballack/Bender/Balitsch shared starts at CM,
Renato Augusto/Sam/Barnetta/Castro shared starts on the wings,
Kießling/Derdyiok/Helmes shared starts as striker,
and this doesn't even include games when Derdyiok or Balitsch started on the right wing or Vidal at FB.

While Vidal was clearly the outstanding player for Leverkusen and pretty much has to be in a top 11 noone else shined enough constantly to make it there, it was more of a rotation/team effort that kept Leverkusen in the CL spots.

i said his source is a bad example, because it clearly states that they voted neuer as best player because of his performance in the championsleague.


(we still dont have an agreement whether we talk bundesliga only, or all games combined, because all of you take whatever is best for your arguments)

talking about kicker grades. dortmund has a team average of 2,90 leverkusen as second place finisher has an average of 3,42. i think its clearly that dortmunds grades are in absolut terms not comparable to the rest .

therefore i can compare kicker grades between Neuer , Rensing , Baumann and so on, but we cant compare the grades between Piszczec and for example Lahm.

So you think they have good grades because they get some kind of Dortmund bonus and not because they played well?

they get the bonus to be in the champion team (which wasnt the expected champion)

or do you really think that gomez was worse than :

götze, bender, weidenfeller, schmelzer, owomoyela


or the other way round, gomez would have been the 10th best player in your squad.
lol

No I wouldn't and kicker grades obv aren't perfect.
But if you compare between positions you get huge problems. Strikers suffer the problem that they often get a bad grades when they don't score which brings their average down. GKs on the other hand get better grades than outfield players, either because German keepers are just that good or because there is something wrong with the way kicker evaluates them. Gomez is the 2nd best striker on grades just behind Schürrle, which I would obv rank the other way but it's not a horrible outcome. Barrios in 4th is a fair bit behind Gomez which is a fair result and gives you a better point to argue than comparing Gomez to Weidenfeller or Schmelzer.

gomez is 0,2 better than barrios , barrios is 0,44 better than novakovic (who scored more goals for a "bad" team)

götze , bender, kagawa are rated way better than vidal

I think that the grade of average players (or players that aren't the main guys) is often influenced by the results of the team, which is why Piszczek's grade could easily be higher than it should be...

I think this sentence/argument perfectly illustrates a fundamental disagreement between you and others. You seem to only look at goals and assists whereas Barrios maybe offered more other things to his team than Novakovic. Maybe he even played a part in why the team was better.

Now I haven't seen a lot (as a matter of fact I haven't watched any Bundesliga game for the full 90 minutes) but just from reading on here it seems to me that you'll never agree with (basically) everyone else on here because you value players very differently.

and its always the same with ya, you always misinterpret my stats.

i understand your point, and i agree, you clearly can make a point that a striker who made 16 goals is better than a striker who made 18 goals in the same timeframe.

but you cant argue at all, that a striker with 10 season goals, has played better than a striker with 30 season goals.
its just not possible.


the reason why there is so much harmony between you guys , that everybody agrees with everyone even though they are clearly wrong. by stating "stats dont tell anything" you can basically argue everything .

"gaynaldo made 40 goals this season while götze made 6 goals ? ffs did you see how much better götze is in the defence than gaynaldo ? thats why dortmund only conceded 22 goals and real 33"

bayern championship 07/08

less goals conceded than dortmund this season
more goals made than dortmund this season
10 points in front of second place finisher (dortmund 7)

kicker Bayern 3,24 Dortmund 2,96 (0,3 difference is HUGE in this rankings)