But glad Dogmoon is still here.

:thumb

I mean, sure, but the fact that Spurrier both recognizes and admits his mistake after the game is so refreshing that I'm completely giving him a pass. No NFL coach that I can think of would make similar statements.

Eagles have 2nd and goal at the San Fran 6 yard line with 2.43 to go. Then it is 3rd and 1, so they let it run to the two minute warning, which is the slam dunk correct call.They are down 26-21 and you want them to save time on the clock for San Fran if they score. San Fran had no timeouts left, either, which makes it even more of a correct decision to run it to the two minute warning.

You are doubling down in the wrong spot. You can still cut your losses if you want. Clearly one thousand out of one thousand people who understand football will disagree with you. There is no argument for the other side, so anyone who takes your side is doing it for a joke, or has lost their mind.

dammit - we quite possibly lost that game because of that mistake!!!! No pass given!

Let's be clear. 3rd and 1 for Philly. 2:31 to go (clock running after 2nd down play). 3 timeouts for Philly. 0 for Niners. Niners with 5 PT lead.

Yeah. Letting clock run down to 2:00 is horrible.

At least you are willing to announce to the world how bad you are. Crazy stuff.

When you're behind, time on the clock is your friend.

3rd and goal from the 1. Wasn't clear enough. Philly trailing with the ball.

These posts are worthy of consecutive lifetime bans...each. Like when a murderer gets sentenced. It is not enough to just take a hike forever.

You must be poster 1,001. You don't count.

You guys must be joking. There is no rationale for leaving San Fran an extra 35-40 seconds there. I think I will take another break. You cannot possibly be serious. Outta here.

How about Chip accepting that penalty and giving the 49ers another shot on 3rd down?

Why am I wrong?

DONT GO DOGMOON

The rationale would be how pathetic the Eagles had been all game at moving the ball. I agree with you and time wasn't even a factor once the Eagles got the ball back after that drive. But there is at least an argument.

They should have just tried to punch it in with McCoy on 3rd and 1 instead of that idiotic back endzone fade to Riley Cooper.

I agree with ClarkNasty, which prorbably means we are both wrong. Philly needed to score there because lol shoe, but if they failed (which was not an unlikely proposition), they needed the time on the clock to still have a chance with another possession (which they did because they would have had all 3 time outs and the 2 minute warning to stop SF). Also, if they scored, SF was out of timeouts.

When you are losing I don't think you should limit yourself to 1 possession when you could clearly have 2. When you need a TD, the chance at an extra possession is worth more than trying to run out the clock while you are losing and still need a TD.

I think the bigger mistake was not running it twice with McCoy at the end there.

I finally at least see the angle you guys are taking, but it is still insanity to believe that those extra 35 seconds won't hurt you more than help you in that situation. More times than not, those 35 seconds will help San Fran beat you than it will help you beat San Fran. That is the only decision to make. I guarantee you that San Fran would have rather they called timeout there, than run it to the two minute warning.

Just because some percentage of the time you will clunk on 3rd and 4th down and get the ball back without those 35 seconds, does not mean that all of the sudden it is the correct call. The bottom line is that those extra seconds help San Fran more often than they help you, and if you played it all over a thousand times, San Fran wins more games if Philly calls timeout there, than they would if Philly runs it to two minutes. That is the end of the argument. San Fran would have loved for Philly to call timeout there, as it guarantees their worst case scenario to be down 3 with around two minutes left on the clock, if Philly scores and converts the two. And if Philly scores on 3rd down San Fran has over two minutes down just 1 or 3. I can't believe I am even talking about this, as it just legitimizes your horrible argument.

This is silliness.

STFU you are wrong.

You are assuming that you are guaranteed to score this drive

Please STFU. Correct strategy is to score without wasting additional clock, and then go for 2 if you do.

Not always.

So you're down one at your opponents one yd line. 45 sec left in the game. You can run the clock down, call time out and then kick the chip shot FG as time expires. But you don't because when you're behind, time on the clock is your friend, so you call the TO at 45s and then kick the FG? I hope not.


Clark,

What percentage of the time would you say Eagles score a TD from the time they have that decision? What percentage of the time would they have to score a TD for letting the clock run be the correct choice?

Those 30 seconds didn't end up being a factor and they were really unlikely to be. Either Philly is going to force a 3-and-out and get the ball back with plenty of time either way or they're going to lose.

The more I think about it, the more I think that leaving SF with less time and no timeouts the 30% or w.e. that they do score is more valuable than those extra 30 seconds in their comeback attempt. DOGMOON right once again. Clark now owes him a house.

I think that since SF never needs more than a FG after the Philly possession, time on the clock is irrelevant to them (they always get ball with at least 1:20 to go and sometimes more). However it is very relevant to Philly if Philly doesn't score, or they do and then SF scores to tie or take lead. Esp since they have all 3 TOs.

WOODERS0N!

Obviously I agree that you should let time run off there, there are exceptions. And as your very specifically described scenario demonstrates, they are narrow exceptions.

Philly had 3 timeouts. Running the clock down to 2 minutes was correct. The mistake was not going run, run on 3rd & 4th down. If they don't get it on 3rd, they can run it down to 1:20 needier running on 4th. If they score, SF has 0 timeouts & 1:20ish left. If they don't score, Philly has 3 timeouts to use and still get the ball back with 1 minute.

If they run it all before 2 minute warning, you're giving SF over 2 minutes if they score on 3rd or 4th down and getting the ball back with 1:40ish if you miss after using timeouts.

It's close, I like running it down to the 2-minute warning better

Up 21 with ~12 minutes left in the fourth, the Cowboys just punted with 16 seconds left on the play clock.