He definitely has a problem. He likely has many problems. I would also bet he's an alcoholic if I had to choose one or the other. None of that means he doesn't have control of his actions though. And the drinking is much more likely to be a result of the problems rather than the problem itself.

I think the "laundry list" is pretty silly and media driven though

But fair enough

Going from this to "HOW LONG BEFORE HE KILLS AN INNOCENT CHILD DRUNK DRIVING" is JFF levels of idiocy though

Yeah.

If a video surfaced of Odell having a beer last weekend, no one would say "welp, clearly he has a problem"

That would be an example of possibly dumb behavior, but there's no history of him being in rehab or benched so it's just a random thing. Sort of like the Milwaukee Bucks being filmed at a strip club a few weeks ago the night before a game. Dumb, probably, to get filmed at a strip club hours before a game, but nothing more.

He has at least some history of drinking and driving

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/c...rgument-101615

#MediaDriven

Odell also hasn't had TMZ following him around everywhere he goes since he was 19 years old.

Yeah, I'm sure no one at a bar in New York has a cell phone with a camera, and only tmz or other approved media can post to the interwebz

Maybe play him and find out what happens, instead of making him sit for 2 years, while trying to run the table with Josh ****ing McCown, and dragging out the distraction, and your teams prolonged sucktitude. I mean who the **** drafts a QB 1st round that they aren't confident to hand the reigns off to? If doesn't work then you just draft a new one. If it goes real bad, even better. lol Browns lol Pettine

Do you think a lot of young rich players aren't out drinking and partying all the time?

Bucco do you really not realize how paparazzo works? JFF cannot have a single drink anywhere he goes without a new item on this "laundry list"

Gronk odell etc do not have this problem

lol, at saying having a few drinks earlier on is DRINKING AND DRIVING. You are proving the media driven narrative.


And as for Gronk, he's really ****ing good. There's a reason he has no scrutiny. He also didn't come into the league expecting to be amazing. QBs have 10x the scrutiny of any other position, and Manziel won a Heisman. It's pretty obvious why he's scrutinized for anything. Maybe he just sucks and alcohol has nothing to do with his play. That's probably the truth, but everything has to be a story, and alcohol is a clear scapegoat.

Gronk is also smart enough to keep his shenanigans to the offseason.

People are looking at this in too much depth. JFF is getting in trouble for disobeying orders. Browns management said "look man please keep your name out of the news for the wrong reasons." And yet, it keeps happening. Regular folks in the corporate world have to amend their behaviors and do certain tasks management asks, when you get paid millions, it should be easy to follow simple orders.

I hate to break this to you, but if you don't realize that a lot of celebrities go to rehab for PR reasons after they are videoed doing drugs or get charged with a DUI or minor drug charge, then you are at best completely naive, or at worst an idiot.

If Johnny has a problem with alcohol, it has nothing at all to do with being smart, or following simple orders.

Is addiction really that hard to understand? Can't you just type "alcoholism" into Google and educate yourselves? If you spend 5 min reading about alcoholism and can't draw any connections to Manziel then there's really no hope.

I do agree with this. It's not a drinking problem. It's a staying out of the limelight during the season problem. i think the Browns are being a little ridiculous, but even if they are, they are his current employer and he should probably just obey them during the season.

Is it possible that he has a problem? Yea I guess, just like it's possible that any person I see drinking has a problem. I haven't seen much to suggest that. And you don't have a ****ing clue if he has a problem or not, so please quit spouting off like you have clinically diagnosed him as an alcoholic. It's not like you've seen Johnny getting ****ed up lately. All you have seen is a video of him drinking a beer. ****, I'd be scared to know what you thought of me if you watched me when I was in my younger twenties (and even now some of the time).

Your posts in this thread are some of the worst I've ever seen. I should probably just ignore you, so I don't have to read any more of your future posts.

Going to rehab for over 2 months+

getting demoted to third string due exclusively to drinking and not on field play+

getting pulled over after drinking, gf has some sort of bruised or red wrist due to Johnny grabbing her +

still drinking during the season even after team clearly doesn't want him to =

"not much to suggest a problem" with alcohol.

Yup.

(Not to mention the time he overslept the passing camp he was scheduled to attend. Odds he was just hungover or still drunk?)

The fact that he disobeyed team orders doesn't prove he has diagnosed alcoholism.

Literally none of those things are a big deal and only are because he's a prominent person and not some random. Rehab for 2 months could be a PR move, Browns demote him for irrational reasons and because they don't like him, incident with his gf could have nothing to do with drinking, and missing a passing camp isn't a good look but oversleeping has literally happened to every 21 year old regardless of alcohol.

Maybe it's a problem, maybe it isn't. You don't have an idea.

He's never benched if he's any good. He's never even in rehab most likely. That's the difference between he and the Gronks of the world. And the Browns need something to blame his suckage on. It can't possibly be that they drafted a crappy midget qb.

Also kind of concerning that Jff has friends or hangs around people that would gladly record and ship these videos to tmz for like ~5k

Yeah Johnny just needs to go to Dallas. Jerry can hire like 3 security guards to snatch anyones camera and beat them up if they try to record something and JFF would have no more problems. Im sure hundreds of players/coaches drink a ****load harder than JFF on a given night.

Theyve got real **** to deal with in Dallas. In no world would oversleeping a camp you volunteered for, or singing along to a song be cause for concern. LOL Cleveland, lol media for having it out for him. I would hate my life if I were him this guy literally cant do a sing along. I mean no wonder he keeps getting in "trouble"

Some people are just stupid. He was told not to drink. Johnny figured that one beer isn't a big deal and that nobody would find out.

Disobeyed orders, completely unaware of his image, mediocre performance on the field. JFF isn't necessarily an alcoholic but he's definitely a total moron.

It's not only the actions, but the fact that he keeps doing these sorts of things despite very negative consequences, such as losing his starting job.

Also he has repeatedly lied about where he was, who he was with, and if he was even drinking at all, and told others to lie for him.

Those are things addicts who have been in rehab do. They lie, cover up their activities, and keep doing the exact same things even after huge negative consequences.

Can anyone give another example of any athlete going to rehab for "PR reasons?"