so vix is villa clear bc he came out of nowhere in an attempt to get us to hit a multi-life wolf, over a vote power wolf, and a whatever Duke is wolf? wat

verrrrry interesting.

depends where you live.

but it's something to note. vix makes a bombshell claim at a weird time for no apparent reason, and no one is real interested in working it out. a bunch of ppl just snap-believe and vote who he says, and go to bed. it's interesting.

this game is all about finding pieces of the puzzle to put together, it disturbs me greatly that you're so against people working to figure this thing out.

how bout do some villa work? pretty much your entire game reads like a wolf. do something to change that.



don't worry he will! on the weekend, or early next week, or something...

It wasn't a soft push. I'm just sick of everyone asking for cliff's notes on everyone instead of reading that player's posts and coming to their own conclusions.

Whew made it home just in time.

Glad we got that sorted out. For what it's worth, I wouldn't be shocked if someone at some point in WW history has made that sort of pronoun error, but I'm thinking it's prob pretty remote.

Yeah and Yeah. The fluff is because this is a game that "cycles" every 24 hours, and it's on a forum where there are a decent number of people we know. Sometimes you have to relax. I'll absolutely cop to not being the most valuable team member though. Prob. never will be.

The mechanics stuff though I think is genuinely helpful. If people had listened to me when I was calling out exactly what was going on with the SK the first day as it was happening (I was close to 100% right on the role of the coach if I recall correctly), I don't think there would've been any confusion at all. I realize that's not something that's just done haphazardly, but at least a few people seemed to think I played last game really well, I'd hope I could get a little credit at some point.

Personally I think mechanical stuff is >>>>>>>>>> in terms of solving the game than things like SHCs, tone reads, etc. It's just one man's take but I think the wolves are fighting an uphill battle in WW and if we keep close tabs on their spew (as it's revealed by their deaths) we can't help but win.

Awww, thanks.

You're right, you have really no reason to think I'm a villa. I'm not going to claim my role yet, and I really haven't done much work (outside the mechanical stuff) that you have to fall back on. Again, not really the villa MVP, but I did make a pretty good read on the SK and I try to help clear up mechanic questions.

I guess I did spew villa pretty hard with my day1 stuff though. I still contend I may be right (we seem to be on our way to another solid win as the village) but several of the points I was going to list in my wolfFAQ are things the wolves have already done, so they prob. didn't need my help.

As for my obsession with SK hunting, I don't think you really need that explained to you do you? SK4Lyfe!!!

I basically never do this. Seriously, if you have 4 hours and hate yourself, read back through 2.0. I don't think I posted a single reads list the entire time. I hate when people do that, it's almost always wrong and leads to people saying stupid **** like "Oh he's SHC because he got a wolf right" (as if the wolves couldn't use that to their advantage).

I will say the lists people have posted and quoted earlier are very much in line with my thinking (see below). Anyone under the radar right now (bottom 25% of post count) is >rand to be a wolf or a vanalliager who doesn't care, so they should get looked at, and the good news is it's easy to reread all 14 of their posts.

PVN's list from a few pages ago:
richard tanner-Well, no (PVN loves me though, so there's a good chance this is just a troll)

exec-Top of my head I recall the cases against him being iffy. Not bad really, just iffy. Not on my must-lynch list, but not clear either.

annie-I want him gone. The whole mix of worthless posting and attempts at sympathy are either a bad villager or a wolf trying to cause doubt.

chim-I gave him villa points for tunneling me so early and being the first to do so, but there's always the possibility that he did it because when I died and flipped villa he could say "But he wanted to help the wolves, we HAD to kill him"

nath-Don't recall much about him

dukesucks-I was the first person to suggest one of the seer claims might be w/w. I went after Vix but he fought that hard, NLS and Dukes makes a ton of sense

dyenamator-Nothing really

SYF-I'm loving the case against him. The whole SK target stuff and potential TMI is great. Wouldn't be shocked at all to see him flip wolf.

bowens-Dude posts 5 times/day in each WW game, no read
dar0-Had him as my SK read from day1. Oops. Starting to reread the case against him now, I recall liking it the first time and having him on my short list.

He's trying, out of spite, to get village to think there are more SKs out there. Mod, if there happen to be any SK alive, you need to punish them for this deliberate angle trying to confuse village with a deadpost.

So here's where I stand:

Villagers:
pvn
hotwings
gbebe
village coach chilly
fanmail
schu_22

Wolf targets:
Anarchist
SYF

These are the two wagons i'll support today, barring further information

Oh, and i'm 95% confident in vix's claim, i'm not seeing the holes iversonian is referring to

I'm pretty sure "bad guys" was a direct quote from the mod post of the event.

Why?

Well, obviously not. Anything else, Sherlock?

Guy claims seer. Claims to peek player x wolf. If we kill player x and he turns up wolf, you think we SHOULD kill the guy who claims seer?

This is what I don't understand. You people keep saying you have "wolfy reads" and "don't like posts" that are the most blatantly straightforward logical and clear posts imaginable.

I'm just baffled by the train of thought going on by the people trying to find wolf tendencies in me.

-If I'm right, it's wolfy.
-If I'm wrong, it's wolfy.
-If I agree with someone, it's wolfy.
-If I disagree with someone, it's wolfy.

Just ****ing do it if you want to do it already. Clearly I'm not changing anyone's mind.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=5917

Henrik doing some good work.

I have a comment on this. In a POG thread about ww moderation, there was a discussion yesterday about whether self-voting was really that anti-villa. The standard theory is that it is, since it could never help the village for a villager to vote himself. But many are of the opinion that is that it's extremely hard for a wolf to fake the same level of emo involved in a self-vote. Anarchist was involved in this discussion. This looks like a pretty bad attempt to get us to think, "hey, annie's so emo that he must be a villa."

this is about Dye, right?

yeah i remember seeing one of his posts re-posted by someone, and it was just a quote of the voting one of the days, with no analysis whatsoever. just the vote counts, didn't say anything about them. unless he did in a later post or something.

and like Chill, you're knocking ppl looking at the D1 v/v/v voting. i did this and created the following list of suspects:

aspoker8 (SK)
Booker (villa)
Chilltown (wolf)
C-Viggity
dar0
Dryice420 (wolf)
fanerio
Geddy Lee (wolf)
Hotwings18 (villa?)
insanity31
Kidcolin
NLsoldier (wolf)
Nutshot2 (villa)

so don't be so quick to discredit work. seemed like a lot of wolves didn't like my list, obviously.

i mean there's always stuff to find when you go back through the old stuff with new information, ldo.

The only situation I see vix claiming there as a wolf is if either he or dukesucks is the wolf vig.

Steve Y Fan

I think Annie has been in anti-spew mode all day.

I'm not against that at all. I'm sick of people yelling WOLF at me and using backwards logic. And I don't recall a bunch of people switching to dryice and going to bed. What I remember is people saying "Why would vix make this claim at such a late hour?"

I've done some analysis of posters. I've posted my reads. I feel like a small handful of people are making me spend 90% of my time defending myself. And this game is already a ****ing absurd sink of time.

Votes as of post 5939
Night in 02:53
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Votes	Lynch	Voters
6	Anarchist	Anarchist (24), Fanmail (35), Iversonian (61), Kidcolin (10), Nath (13), pvn (16)
6	Steve Yzerman fan	insanity31 (20), C-Viggity (2), dar0 (10), exec771 (27), schu_22 (5), zdye724 (22)
1	bowens	Vyk07 (12)
1	C-Viggity	aejones (10)
1	unvote	Vixticator (24)
11	not voting	bowens (1), g-bebe (2), ut2010 (5), Chim17 (0), Dukesucks (7), Dyenimator (1), Henrik Sedin (7), Hotwings18 (0), Nozecandy (14), Richard Tanner (10), Steve Yzerman fan (2)

this kinda reads like a wolf frustrated that he's getting caught bc he's trying SO hard to be a villa, lol

look nath, you're probably not dying today. so you have today, and maybe the entire weekend if it's 1 game day, can you try to put some good villa work in instead of crying bc people are suspicious of you? ffs, the villagers don't know who the wolves are, and tbh you haven't played this game very well. put some work in and clear yourself, otherwise yeah you might be dead soon.

I don't think we should even try to read Anarchist. He's so all over the place and from what's come out of his off-game life it's clear that's not just game strategy. I think we should just knock him off now because he's impossible to read and hasn't been helpful either.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. ****ing do it already, *******, since you're so goddamn convinced. Tired of wasting my time playing with a bunch of people who just want to put me through the ringer and ignore clear logic.

tell me about it!

god would you stop whining

I don't think this is hard to grasp. I do get mad at people when they waste my time with stupid questions that they could easily answer themselves in an effort to "prove" I'm a wolf. However, I'm able to separate that from when they provide a read or train of thought I agree with.

Sorry, that last count was incorrect. Lol zyde

Votes as of post 5944
Night in 02:51
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Votes	Lynch	Voters
8	Steve Yzerman fan	Richard Tanner (40), C-Viggity (2), dar0 (12), exec771 (46), insanity31 (34), Nozecandy (40), schu_22 (12), zdye724 (57)
6	Anarchist	Anarchist (41), Fanmail (39), Iversonian (110), Kidcolin (28), Nath (15), pvn (24)
2	bowens	Chim17 (26), Vyk07 (31)
1	C-Viggity	aejones (10)
1	dar0	Steve Yzerman fan (15)
1	unvote	Vixticator (56)
7	not voting	bowens (2), g-bebe (11), ut2010 (23), Dukesucks (8), Dyenimator (1), Henrik Sedin (9), Hotwings18 (0)

this is essentially what my previous post was referring to. He's not been 100% on the up and up. His theories don't always make sense. I agree he's pretty down the list.

Sticking with my anarchist vote. I'm out for the night guys. godspeed.

fanmail,

yeah i'll re-read anarchist and give it a shot

At least if I get killed I can go back to ignoring your stalker ass.

The same 2-3 people have been tunneling me all game. It's ****ing frustrating.