At least I'm honest, unlike you.

You admitted that you were a nerdy white kid who wanted to be black. Do you think Jalen Rose would be impressed by that? Do you think that he'd nod his head and say that he appreciates your support of the black struggle against the Grant Hills and the Overland Park plantation owners? He'd probably think you just should just be yourself.

I don't care how black men feel about other black men raised with both parents. I will say however that I think it's pathetic that guys like Grant Hill are slammed by people like Jalen Rose. Parenting is not a zero-sum game. Jalen Rose didn't lack a father figure because Grant Hill was fortunate enough to have two parents in his life. I'll also admit that I hate Jalen Rose's attitude. For someone who never matched Grant Hill in career success to be so arrogant just strikes me as a colossal load of bull****. Contrast someone like Chris Webber with someone like Tim Duncan as well. Same position, but couldn't be more different in attitude.

You're free to act however you want but most black people would probably think you were pathetic trying to empathize with their struggles. Make no mistake, that's what you're doing, and you can't. At least I don't pretend to understand what Jalen Rose went through. It has nothing to do with the bull**** for him to call someone like Grant Hill an Uncle Tom.

I'm sorry though, I forgot that because you lived near the worst member of the fab five's parents in Plano for a little while, that suddenly you're some kind of expert on both the Fab Five and black culture in America. Maybe you can call up the NAACP and you guys can start working on removing the last vestige of slavery in America, the NCAA Division I/II basketball/football scholarship programs. Leave the hockey and golf programs alone though, because white players aren't slaves, just black players.

****, why did I waste shockedblackkid.gif earlier. **** **** ****

If I saw Jalen Rose today, I'd probably be like hey bruh I'm a big huge Fab 5 fan. Tell'em I grew up by Jimmy and go up and give him a dap and shoulder hug.

The nerdy white kid, that was me in junior high bro. Since I dropped out of high school I've been arrested 5 times. I did over 9 months in jail. And let me say this, you are afforded the luxury of looking at the world through rose colored glasses, because those are your experiences. But the minute the police arrest you for something you didn't do all that **** goes right out the window.

I also never wanted to be black. I never talked like a wigga or acted like one. In fact, I can't count how many times I've been in the gym and got up in some black dudes face b/c he was giving me attitude and treating me the way the Fab 5 talked about Laettner like I was soft or a pussy. There was a time when I really hated dudes like that on sight. All I was saying, is at that time (junior high) I didn't like the redneck hicks I went to school with. I hated Duke before the Fab 5 came on the scene. So once they faced Duke in the NCAA Finals rooting for them was a natural choice.

Btw, none of my "street cred" or your "lack of it" has one thing or anything to do with this. You originally blasted Rose for his thoughts as I think you said "stupid". My whole point was, maybe you're looking at things solely from your perspective. My point was there's a whole bevy of people out there myself included that can relative to the way Jalen Rose feels about the "establishment" in a real and meaningful way. Because you haven't had those experiences or relate to what he is saying, does not make what he's saying foolish or wrong.

ikes attended Michigan on an athletic scholarship. I have no idea whether or not he completed your required curriculum, though.

Can we start another thread on the topic of whether or not college players should be paid, please?

so they banned webber from interacting with the school until 2013 - - what is this effect - that he cant show up at a pep rally?

seems pretty minor. am i missing something?

any word on when the bartman one is gonna air?

You must not have known anything about LJ then

Ive never even really been a fan of college b ball much so i didnt even know about this huge scandal until the documentray. Ive thought weber was a sack of **** and didnt even take this into account. Despite his failure of a career full of WIL, It makes my blood boil that that piece of crap was able to accrue over 150 million dollars over his career and now has a TV job.

Just a correction, I was a walk on w/o a scholarship, but that's pretty irrelevant as well.

I mean, TC, I really don't think you understand what my POV here is. It's totally possible to say that college athletes are getting used AND that the fab five did a lot of damage to the athletic department. Compliance is nuts at Michigan about cars, money and jobs because of those guys. The basketball program suffered a ton of consequences because they decided to take $600k.

The fact that they are black doesn't excuse the huge rules violations they committed over a large period of time.

They = Chris Webber

Webber, Taylor, Traylor, Bullock

The **** that Webber and others did during their time at Michigan is no worse than anything that was implicated in the SI Agent piece and is no worse than what is going on at probably 90% of D1 Football and Basketball programs. I just find it hard to believe that Webber just had $200k in liquid cash given to him over the course of his college basketball career.

If Tractor Traylor never flips the SUV, they probably never get caught and the wins are never getting vacated.

On a side note: I have a friend with close friends high up in the athletic department in a Pac-10 school. He said a few years ago that the team finished dead last in the league and all their players were still getting paid.

You're dreaming.

this page was a gd trainwreck

First you say that what weber and others did at michigan is on par with 90% of what happens in d1 basketball and football programs. Yet in the next sentence you say you find it hard to believe an angel like chris weber would accept 200 k in liquid cash. Are you ****ing serious?

When the grass is cut, thats when you start seeing the snakes. Chris weber was the first one spotted considering he was a big boa constricter that squeezed the life out of the program.

I think he's saying that Webber probably received something more in line with what Jalen has admitted to: a little extra here and there.

Yeah, this. Webber wasn't riding up and down South U in a brand new Cadillac Eldorado. He was getting a little extra spending cash and prob some spending cash for his family as well. He didn't get the big money until his college career was over, he declared pro, and it was pretty obvious he was a lottery pick. If that SI piece by the agent that came out a few months ago is true, this is what a huge huge % of D1 athletes receive on a regular basis while at school and is not something to use to say "Chris Webber is the scum of the Earth".

How do you know this though? sorry but you just seem kind of biased in this issue, is there some kind of inside information that im not aware of?

apparently Martin testified that he gave weber 280 k and when weber testified he basically said that he couldnt remember. Seems like a standard non denial, denial.

Do you think that Martin was lying under oath to spite weber? I just dont see how anyone can give him pretty much a free pass on all this stuff.

BTW I know I was mild trolling last night but I do like Jalen Rose, and pretty much always have. As a player and I think he's pretty good now.

Chris Webber though...it's just such a beat for the Kings to have had him as their star player. He is such a gutless wonder, and the Lakers are so lucky that in 2000 and 2002 they were able to get game sevens against alleged team leaders in Scottie Pippen and Webber, both of whom folded up like a cheap tent down the stretch.

By the way, i didnt much of the documentary but was told that he didnt participate.

he had a chance to clear his name and for some reason he chose not to...., which I assume is for nefarious reasons.

Basically I'm going off of the first hand accounts of Jalen and Mitch Albom, both of whom were pretty close to Webber throughout his entire college career where they said in the documentary that he wasn't exactly living large during his college career.

It's not that shocking that Webber chose not to participate. On the one hand, it would have been easy to come on and say "Nope, didn't do anything" and with Martin dead, he can't exactly get contradicted first-hand. That said, his ban is almost up and he probably just wants the entire thing behind him so he'll ignore it in the hopes it goes away.

ya but unless they really hate weber personally or have a huge axe to grind with him its not like they would admit to his full slate of transgressions publicly. I wouldnt really put to much stock in what they said in the documentary.

Back to the point of "he wasnt rolling around in a baller ride etc" though, if your breaking NCAA rules by taking money I really doubt and would hope weber would be intelligent enough to not buy a flashy car, rolex and be rolling around with wads of cash bragging about how hes rich. One would think that martin would have coached up weber good enough to avoid anything that would obviously get them caught right away.

ya i agree with this, i doubt he really cares at all what he put the school through. he probably justs wants to subconciously and consciously ignore it and hope it goes away, which is easy with a good job and a fat stack of undeserved money that was made in the NBA.

obviously no help from the refs in 2002.........

Webber only had 20 points, 11 assists and 8 boards in that game (obviously lol 21 shots)...

Team went 16-30 from the line. Vlade went 5-10, Webber 2-4, Hedo 1-4.

It's hilarious how webber gets the blame for everything but he was the major reason why both Sacto and Michigan were having their success.

IIRC Webber was basically useless in the 4th quarter and OT of the 2002 game 7, including some lolterrible shots, and his bulk numbers were largely helped by playing so many minutes.

The guy was an absolute joke when it mattered. I don't really care about the timeout thing - plenty of people could have made that mistake. He would have been an effective second option on a contender though, but it never worked out that way.