Why is this forum littered with white guys (I should say kids in most instances) who think they see things from every angle and are all knowing all intelligent, but don't have the common sense or bother to take the time to see anything from someone else's perspective?

Why do you expect Jalen Rose to see things from your perspective? Reminds me of this one white dude I worked with who once said when Tupac "Changes" came on the radio "see thats why I hate that guy. He didn't want anything to change. He wants black people to committ crimes and scare white people." I told him, "dude have you even listened to the lyrics or is all you heard the hook?"

Seriously, Dead would anyone come to you to get your perspective of how single parent inner city black men feel towards other black men raised with both parents in suburbia? You sound like a complete fool, commenting on how Jalen Rose is suppose to feel towards Grant Hill, while I'd be willing to be the biggest hardship you've been through in your privileged childhood is Mom forgot I don't like grape jelly and made me a peanut butter and strawberry jam sandwich instead.

Jesus Christ dude, you wanna blame the Fab 5? Explain to me why they aren't entitled to a portion of the revenue the University is making off of their talents? No where else in america is this allowed. And certainly no where else in america would someone be vilified if they protested or even "broke" the rules in order to attain what is rightfully owed to them.

The NCAA is given way too much leniency for the way they profit off of these players. They create these "rules" for one reason and one reason only, because it benefits them. It sure as hell doesn't benefit the student athlete. Why should the NCAA be allowed to police themselves when it comes to how the money is distributed between state institutions and the NCAA?

/sigh

Why are coaches allowed to market and exploit their fame for money? I'm not talking about their salaries here. This alone shows the entire system to be inherently exploitative.

IDK but i will guess that since the popularity of college basketball and football is so huge and that talent pool is just so much better for player development.

I think it could work well for the NBA.

They allow kids to be drafted at 16. they enter the NBA minor league and develop with much better competition and will be ready by 18.

But for the NFL these players arent gonna be ready till probably 20 years old. The NCAAF is probably just too popular for an NFL minor league to be better for player development.

Yes. Without the sanctions the team would have been much better off.

Again, this has nothing to do with my post.

No, this cannot be the reason. It is true that baseball players take more time to develop but I don't see what that has to do with anything. What happened afaik is that professional baseball (note: the 'minor leagues' are pro leagues) took root in small communities a long, long time ago. There is a rich tradition in these leagues with regards to baseball whereas football/basketball tradition exists within the college athletic ranks. Baseball was a wildly popular sport before athletics existed on campuses... this is not the case with the others.

Well the PCL and IL were founded in 1903 and 1884 respectively, so at least on the AAA level that theory makes sense.

Sigh, the conversation about a fantastic documentary has contracted full blown AIDS. And when seth is the one that I agree with, it is full blown for sure.

Oh if only someone had tried to predict where this would go, say around posts 1516, 1520, 1523 or something.

The only reason it has nothing to do with your post is because you're unwilling to look at whether the NCAA should be giving back to the players, beyond the scholarships they provide.

Someone ban Dead plz

Even though I agree with you, I also agree with Richard Tanner that there's like a zero % chance of having this discussion on 2p2 (or likely anywhere else on the internet) were it doesn't instantly devolve.

Like I said upthread, sorry for whatever role I played in getting this ball rolling, though wtf I ever did the tschubauer, I don't know...

I agree this turn sucks, I'd rather talk about things pertaining to the documentary. At the same time its pretty significant that white america STILL holds contempt for the Fab 5.

Even if you're willing to cover your eyes and ignore the inequities of the NCAA and their financial distribution to the student athlete. Are we to assume Jamal Mashburn a kid from the Bronx New York went to Kentucky for their racial progressiveness? Are you naive enough to think even the wholesome Christian Laettner never received any financial considerations during his four years at Duke? Come'on thats ridiculous. Vilifying the Fab 5 for "violations" is absurd!

I wasn't being very serious with that comment seth.

I did a sociology of sport research project about this basic subject last semester, and I instantly hated myself for choosing it.

lol except for that's completely untrue, as evidenced ITT and several other places. Continue spewing though.

Settle down Tuq, we'll get there.

Most of the 'minor league' teams are not owned by a MLB franchise. Professional baseball teams in small communities goes back to the very beginning of the sport--please note: pro baseball does not refer to MLB. Football became popular in the universities, this is where the game was initially played and codified. Not the case with baseball. The game has never been associated with colleges but rather with these local professional teams instead.

It's all about 'who gets there first' more than anything.

ikestoys,

what is your personal experience, where did you go to high school? what neighborhood did you live in? what college did you attend? what did your father and/or mother do for a living?

How many students in your high school were minorities? your neighborhood? What personal experience do you have either working with minorities, having personal friendships with other people of a minority race?

From the tone of this thread, I would say most of the posters itt have little to no experience with african americans. Yet, you boldly make your opinion known about what is right and wrong for them to do, and scoff at anyone who disagrees with you as foolish.

I would even venture a guess you haven't even taken a college course of socio-economics. Or even a class that delved into human behavior. I would venture a guess what we're getting from the posters itt is personal opinion and nothing more. Certainly nothing substantial has been cited to support your argument.

basketball teams didnt start in the colleges. i dont think there was a league that got basketball popular but the barnstorming leagues which included the harlem globetrotters back in the 20s.

False. Basketball was primarily played in colleges in this era.