hardly anyone could name the fab 5 today

theres one airing on hbo once a day or so

+1

fab 5 was sick tho

Wrong

depends on ur age

30 and up id say most sports fans could

fab 5 brings back a lot of memories when i was young tho , loved it

i knew i saw something on unlv bball

It was Webber

Ugh, I mean, the Fab Five cost the basketball program 10+ years and compliance is really ****ing annoying because of them. There's plenty of reason to shun them.

I thought this was just incredibly well done. It touched on all the issues and it did so in an interesting way.

The Webber middle school video and Jalen's Europe/Detroit comment were hilarious

The Duke/angry, racist, traditionalist Michigan alumni parts showed very well how different and unaccepted they were despite them winning.

I loved watching the smiles on their faces while they were trash talking. Reinforces Jalen's comments about how it was all about getting a mental edge.

I really liked the part that underscored the manipulation of the NCAA and the school in making money off them. There's obviously a broader context there, but it really rang true with them.

I thought the Ed Martin stuff was solid too, it portrayed it much more fairly than it ever is. Brandon's comments kind of bugged me though.

anybody see when fab 5 is going to be on again... i somehow misclicked on recording it

the end of it is on right now... I imagine ESPN will have it replaying all week

Last 30 minutes are on ESPN2 right now.

This has been outstanding so far. Both from a filmmaking standpoint and from a topic standpoint.

I was pretty young when those games took place, but I still recall them. If your heart doesn't ache a little for Webber after than phantom time out, you've got to be an Ohio St. fan. Watching him (try to) field those questions after the UNC game is incredibly emotional.

wow I am dumb that I didn't notice it was on right away on ESPN2.... 92/93 were some great years for cbb... I still have the tape of #1 IU at #2 Michigan during the 92-93 season, such a classic.

Jesus, Webber throwing Martin under the bus like that is just nuts.

Edit: Always loved Jalen for what he did with the Pacers, so I'm biased, but it's still nice to see him come out of the scandal pretty clear (comparatively).

College sports is such a hypocrisy, and every time some comes in with an opinion scolding the "guilty" with their astonishment and disapproval. I just think to myself what an idiot.

Cheating in college sports is universal and is certainly implied universally. I can't think of one reason anyone should care when it comes to light.

And another thing, on a personal level it really bothers me to have old rich white guys in Overland Park, Kansas to sit around on their fat asses and tell the young african americans, who are making them a fortune from collegiate athletics revenues, what money and resources they are allowed. As an economic system its very similar to slavery.

Continuing on a personal note. I rarely watch college sports, b/c of this hypocrisy. I wish the NCAA nothing but pure and utter failure. I wish it would just disembowel and go away. I wish someone like Mark Cuban would come along and create the real minor leagues of football and basketball. Its not like the rich white fat asses in Overland Park really give a rat's ass about whether these kids get an education or not. And I think everyone would agree with that, yet no one ever talks about that with disgust or disdain the way Ikestoys just did about these college teenagers who took money, b/c they were in need and it was offered to them.

Eh, the whole thing just pisses me off. But F*** the NCAA!

Oh god, please don't

Lol @ Jalen Rose ripping on Grant Hill and calling him an Uncle Tom. So if a black guy isn't a hood scumbag then he's an Uncle Tom, Jalen? Grant Hill had a better NBA career so I doubt he cares what you think, Jalen. His parents made better choices, sure. Your parents didn't have to make bad ones. Don't hate on him for that. Jalen came off as a real prick in this documentary.

He's just mad that Duke (including Laettner) OWNED them by 20 points in that 92 championship game (that later got vacated for Michigan).

And super lol @ Ray Jackson talking all of that ****. Ray, you didn't even make the NBA, bro. You weren't that good in college. Laettner made the NBA, Ray, but you didn't. Why? You weren't good enough. Zomg, was that racism, Ray? Must have been. Everyone knows you had the skills bro, but that racist NBA that let your 4 homies on the Fab Five in was just bein racist against you. Someone call the EEOC.

I didn't know Rev. Farrakhan had a TwoPlusTwo account. That is awesome.

If so, the Rev. is occasionally correct then, because the above is hyperbolic, but only slightly in that it's closer to indentured servitude than outright slavery, but other than that, hard to say he's wrong.

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great film. I dont think college players should be paid by the school but should be able to capitalize on their market value. Get a share of jersey sales, get paid for commercials, have shoe deals etc.

It's a preposterous analogy. If there's any relevant comparison at all it's to major league baseball before Curt Flood and free agency.

Indentured servants could be physically beaten (like slaves) and were forbidden to leave for the duration of the contract. NCAA Division 1 basketball players aren't under contract and they are free to quit the team and drop the scholarship at any time. They can't transfer to other schools without sitting out a year but they have all the freedom in the world. They aren't paid, sure, but they receive a college education which has a market value at anywhere between $50k and $200k depending on the school. They also obtain exposure and a lucky select few get to play professional basketball (either domestically or abroad.)

If you want to make the argument that they're underpaid for their services and should be paid, then fine, but remember that it's an inherently voluntary arrangement. Players can quit at any time if they feel like they aren't getting what they're worth. Lots of people feel that Wal-Mart cashiers are underpaid too, but I don't hear anyone comparing being a Wal-Mart cashier to being a slave. Yes, it is true true that the NCAA does keep a tight rein on schools and obviously wouldn't allow for the paying of players. But that hardly merits a comparison of the system to indentured servitude or slavery, simply due to the fact that there are no strings holding these players at these schools. These players aren't property, no matter what your bleeding heart may tell you.

Of for ****s sake, really? Page 16 is the page the 30 for 30 thread needs to go full ******?

Just finished both. Thought the UNLV film was better, the Fab 5 had the more interesting story, but the film was super over-hyped. It could never be an excellent film without Webber in it.

I saw the Mike Tyson/Tupac episode detailing the night Pac died after Tyson's fight and how they were friends and it was pretty good. I found it interesting to note that the critics/media personnel interviewed described both of them as highly intelligent individuals. Now I know that Tupac was a very intelligent individual as it has been laid before us in his lyrics and poetry... but I never really thought of Tyson as highly intelligent. But wait, is he? I guess could I buy it. I forget what class I took in college that described 8 different intelligences (one being athletic intelligence). Tyson would fit in that category. He has an somewhat extensive vocabulary also, I think he just gets thought of as dumb because of the sound of his voice and his erratic public persona.